Just now, roversfan99 said:

They are totally different situations to compare. Mowbray inherited a much worse squad and situation. We then had a season in League 1 limiting who we could bring in. Then he had money to spend on 3 players before a couple of summers where the purse strings were tightened and then his main players were sold/suffered career ruining injuries. Tomasson inherited a much better situation and had a bit of money to replace those out of contract. Not as much as Mowbray had but equally the squad at that side wasnt nearly as bad so it levels out. He this season has had it as rough as weve seen in years and we have gone as low as weve been in years as youd expect.

The only main player Mowbray lost during his tenure at the club was Adam Armstrong. His final season was the only season where the club received more in transfer fees than it spent.

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I mean what he inherited, ie last summer. Although the squad now is still definitely better than what Coyle left.

That squad was shocking. Lowe, Guthrie and Akpan in midfield. Greer, Brown, Hendrie, Emnes, Stokes etc.

Look at the current midfield. Greer was in his mid thirties and signed on a free from a fellow Championship club where he was captain, sound familiar? Stokes was no worse than Ennis. I'd take Emnes over Telaovic everyday of the week. 

I don't think there is much between our current squad and the squad that went down I'd say the one that went down was slightly stronger as it had some good experienced pro's life Mulgrew, Graham and Conway.

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Mowbray inherited a much, much worse squad and situation. We did spend on replacements for the out of contract players when Tomasson joined too, a rare window in which we spent a bit of money. 

Look at the money Mowbray spent £12 Million on two players alone. JDT has had players bought for him by that clown Broughton with the biggest fee being a couple million. Mowbray also until his final season when Armstrong went never lost anyone of his key players. No sooner had JDT taken over and the club captain had gone along with our best midfielder. Then in this summer he lost his goalkeeper, his top scorer and now in the winter has lost his best midfielder. 

1 minute ago, Pedro said:

The argument is in your head my friend.  I think we are heading down -

So you think we are going down even though we are 5 points clear of relegation with 17 games to play (which is a game in hand on 22nd). But you think Mowbray could do nothing to keep us up even though we were only 3 points adrift with 15 games to play. 

8 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Seriously, has this site got a direct link to Calderstones these days or something?? 

 

Owen Coyle, Brockhall Ping Pong Champion, was the catalyst and reason for relegation. Mowbray turned up well into February and a few games too late.  Anyone who thinks other than that isn't worth the conversation. 

We were 3 points from safety with 15 games to play when Mowbray took over. That is more than salvageable plenty of clubs have been in that position and stayed up.

Currently we are 5 points clear of the drop with 16/17 games left to play. So I assume you think that we are already safe from relegation?

You certainly apply some strange logic you don't give Mowbray any blame for relegation in a season where he managed over 30% of the games. Yet think it's all JDT's fault that 'As we stand, since 2001, we haven't been in a promotion position for the league that matters'.

3 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Also, stop with the nonsense of trying to undermine the fact that Mowbray was a very decent appointment for us at the time. So with the greatest respect, stick to the solid facts yourself. The guy got us promoted and we were securely in the Championship off the back of it.  He'd took us as far as he was capable of but strangely, took his next team higher than JDT managed.

...But talk about mind-blowing, someone else making 7th out to be an achievement - when the mighty Luton got promoted on a shoestring and Mowbray's Sunderland made the play-offs.  It's no wonder this club is fucked from top to bottom. Apart from the failures of the owners and board, it blows my mind the acceptance and celebration of absolute mediocrity on here and how passive we have been with underachievement, disorganisation, mistakes, missed-opportunities and toothless displays. 

We get the product we deserve I suppose - but I believe we can do better and we should be demanding better.

Here you are celebrating Tony Mowbray's achievements of getting us promoted from the third tier (after getting us relegated which you fail to mention) and then in 4 seasons in the Championship achieving a highest finish of 8th. And in the same post you talk of an acceptance and celebration of absolute mediocrity.

Just now, Pedro said:

Why??  The guy who got us promoted from League One straight away wasn't a good appointment all of a sudden? Him who gave the club a lot of heart, signed some very capable players who, had we not let them run their contracts down, would've generated millions (yes...and some crap!) but levelled off.   

He was brought in first of all to keep us up and he failed. So he certainly wasn't a good appointment in that respect. 

1 minute ago, M_B said:

He left a squad which finished 8th then 7th, where are we now less than 12 months later? 

My God, we have fallen off a cliff. 

Have you noticed the massive cut in budget? Would you care to compare what Mowbray spent on players he wanted to what JDT has had spent for him by that clown Broughton?

JDT finished higher in 1 season here than Mowbray did in 6 despite having an inferior budget and not being able to bring in his own players. JDT also inherited a squad that had just lost it's player of the season and captain from the previous season.

11 minutes ago, M_B said:

Mowbray's points averaged over the season would have had us in 8th.The damage, as well you know, was already done. 

There was damage done but it was far from mission impossible we were 3 points from safety with 15 game to play. Plenty of club have been in that position before and stayed up.

11 minutes ago, M_B said:

The dismantling of his good work has been startling. 

This has to be satire? Surely?

Just now, Pedro said:

Yes you can. Have a look back through the results from last January...it's his job to pick the team, coach the team, drive the team on...surely he is culpable for the horrendous run of results, abject performances, cock-ups, missed opportunities etc?

If you genuinely it is all JDT's fault that  'As we stand, since 2001, we haven't been in a promotion position for the league that matters' then you are crackers.

2 minutes ago, Pedro said:

That is splitting hairs though. The rest is true.  As we stand, since 2001, we haven't been in a promotion position for the league that matters. 

You can hardly lay all that at the door of JDT, he's been manager for just the last 18 months.

1 minute ago, Pedro said:

Surrendered a two goal lead in the Quarter Finals, 

We never had a 2 goal lead.

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Ten games without a win, hurtling down the table, the club generally in a right old state, so of course you will get a smattering of boos at half time. Thats football and would happen at every club in the country - I’d wager they’d get it far stronger at a lot of other grounds. 

What a bizarre thing to spend half time discussing.

Not a good look either when you are in a relegation fight but typical of the attitude of the modern young pampered footballers. This is also where you need a bit of experience in the squad to tell them to pull their socks up, man up and give the fans who pay their wages something to cheer.

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

i think dunny has been drummed out of enough clubs to tell us he`s not a very good coach

Sacked again yesterday I see.

17 minutes ago, J*B said:

There is of course a risk of being used for PR, but I had two options: 

1) Attend, find out what it was about, report back what I can. 

2) Don’t attend. 

Or 3 get up and walk out when you realise that the CEO is holding a meeting involving players with no manager present. But then I suppose you couldn't come on here than bragging that you know something that the rest of us don't know.

13 minutes ago, booth said:

I think it's fair to say Coyle had an arguably better squad with the likes of Graham, Mulgrew, Conway and a hungrier Sam Gallagher. Not that it was any good back then but the point is we had more capable individuals.

I was looking at our current squad and our squad that got relegated and I think that our current squad is poorer than the one that went down. I'm really not sure what people expect with the current squad it is a poor squad.

48 minutes ago, roverblue said:

The same squad finished 7th last year with the only regular difference being Brereton. People need to stop making excuses for the manager, some of you on here are in complete denial about where this ends if they don’t change him.

Yes the manager significantly over achieved last season to guide us to our best finish since relegation from the Prem. Since then though the squad has lost more than just Brereton it has also lost Kaminski, Wharton, Travis, Ayala & Morton. And in that same period the only useful signing that has been made is Tronstad.

I'm really not sure where people expect this squad to be in the table as for me it is a bottom 1/3 of the table squad.

1 hour ago, booth said:

I don't believe this collection of players can do much better. We have no Samba's, Todd's, Kevin Moran's. There's been no rhyme or reason to picking up some of these players at all. Recruitment have just gone, here you go, make something of that.

We're relying on a moment of magic from Sammie every game. We simply don't have the forward players with enough about them in this league, we're playing without fullbacks when JRC goes forward. Chrisene and Siggy is suicide but what's the other option? Tronstad, without Wharton, was on his own. It's an absolute mess and we'll need a magician not a coach or a manager.

And at the same time there's so many players disappearing in the Summer, you have to wonder if they give a stuff.

The guys at the top don't seem to.

Completely agree with this, some of our fans need to wake up, have a reality check and realise that our squad isn't very good.

Honestly I look at it and I'm not even sure it is as good a squad as the one that went down under Coyle and Mowbray. 

Just now, davulsukur said:

Not really a team of kids today though:

Pears - 25

JRC - 24

Hyam - 28

Wharton - 26

Chrisene - 20

Tronstad - 28

Moran - 20

Dolan - 22

Gallagher - 28

Szmodics - 28

Sigurdsson - 24

Even more concerning we put in such a poor performance with those players.

 

It's just not a very good team. How many of those would you say are good solid Championship players 3 or 4 I'd say. I think some people overestimate our team but you look at that starting line up and bench today and it is a bottom 3rd squad.

15 minutes ago, SBlue said:

At last, a bit of balance. I’d say jury is still out on Sigurdsson, certainly made sense on paper, and I definitely rate Brittain.

Biggest and best signing he made was JDT. A masterstroke under any half functional administration imo

 

I don't rate Brittain one bit and whilst Siggurdsson is a decent footballer I don't think he looks suited to English football. JDT was a great appointment but then Broughton has let him down consistently in the transfer market.

2 minutes ago, SBlue said:

Mowbray probably thinks Messi is a good player. Still have to go and sign him 😂

Broughton isn’t a scout or an analyst, he’s a Director of Football. He brought Szmodics to the club, the end.

Even you you want to count them as his singings before this window in Broughton's time here we have brought in 14 players. Three of them have been good singings Szmodics, Hyam & Tronstad. Then you have Hill who was decent, the rest have been disappointments. 3-4 good singings out of 14 is a success rate of about 30% for a club whose finances are tight that is not anywhere near a good enough success rate.

4 minutes ago, J*B said:

Was there? I hadn’t seen that reported, can you link it? My understanding was that Ayala, Dack, Brereton etc where all let go because JDT and GB thought the funds could be better used elsewhere. We signed three players - Ennis, Sigurdsson and Tronstad, then “the project changed”.

But we have signed Sigurdsson on a permanent since then granted it does technically kick in until next season but it seems unlikely that he'd commit in December to sign for next season on a lower wage than we are currently paying him.

12 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Or that's all Stoke want to commit to...

Well Evidently. But given he had 3.5 years left here and we evidently wanted him of the books I suspect we came to an agreement with him for him to get some of his salary (probably a year) from us.