Dunno, signing serial relegatee Upson didn't get Wham relegated. Besides, the lad saved us from relegation let us not forget.

Really? I prefer to laugh at almost all of them. The most amusing suggestions are: 1. That we would possibly sell Bentley for £6 million. Anything less than 10 I would personally find insulting. 2. At least two of them seem to think Pedersen would be better. Any Rovers fan could tell them that Bentley has easily been the better player this season. They need to stop judging based on pretty goals on MOTD. 3. Of course, suggestions that Pennant is better than Bentley, or even that Bentley is a similar option/level to Pennant.

Hope you noticed I said 'if true'...I'm not assuming any truth in it, just expressing my opinion in the case that it is true.

If they offer more money then maybe. But that isn't what that little article suggests when it says he might 'turn his nose up' at the prospect of playing for us permanently. That kind of arrogance from an average player would (if true) be unacceptable in my book.

If he even considers turning his nose up at us to go to Newcastle, then bugger him.

Is that based on weekly predictions too? That means he kept on backing them, despite their naffness. Pretty pleased with my joint fourteenth placed finish in my first season. Steered well clear of relegation and hoping to kick on next year Got two of the three relegated teams, and Fulham could have easily gone down too...I never felt Reading were going to be in severe trouble, but boy did they outperform my expectations! Overestimated Wigan too. Looking forward to next season's predictions!

Though I agree with most of the rest of what you said, it really isn't quite like this. Reading are in their first season up, whilst we've had fairly consistent European football since we came back up. We haven't already lost our key player. Benni McCarthy is a champions league winner who just finished second top scorer in the league and is apparently wanted by Chelsea. MGP has long since been linked with most of the biggest clubs in the country. Bentley has played for one of those clubs. All three are players who, if they should leave us, will almost certainly be doing so for a top four team. I haven't heard anything about anyone wanting Doyle. The reason being most are still wondering whether he is a flash in the pan. He was playing for Cork City until two years ago. I rate Doyle, but he's not at the same level as those three yet. And intertoto footy in itself is of course useless, but the rather likely UEFA Cup footy we stand to get isn't. Meanwhile, as has been stated, Reading are likely to be finishing below us next season. I can't imagine Pedersen banging down their door no, but that would largely be because A: he has been linked with the top sides and B: he has already had European football with us. (Edit: Cheers Daren ...also, I didn't mean to infer Doyle IS a flash in the pan, just that many seem to be thinking he could be...personally I feel he looks a good player and would be delighted to have him here at the right price if it ever became possible)

Where you getting this from?

What, with Barry in the centre? I really hope they play Bentley on the right, all game, or McClaren isn't going to see what he can do.

If either of those try and sign him, I'll just be amused. He wants Champions League football. Here we have a good shot at the next best thing, UEFA Cup football. At West Ham and Newcastle they have no European competition at all. As far as other UEFA cup teams go...Bolton can just outright forget it, Spurs have two thousand strikers, Everton...vaguely possible if it weren't for the fact that none of them have much chance anyway given that we're likely to be in it too, he gets good service here and has a progressive manager. From the Champions League lot, expect Arsenal to lack transfer funds again, Man United to not be especially interested (Looking at Villa and the like for a lot more cash and already have quite a few good forwards), and Liverpool also to be looking for bigger fish. Chelsea is the real threat, but it now seems they're not one either. However, if he's not off we might want to try and get him on a new contract. From what I understand, players on 3 year contracts in his age bracket can buy their contract out after the second year, and players on 5 year contracts can buy it out after the third year, in order to move to foreign clubs. I don't know where that leaves Benni, who signed four year deal, but the inference seems to be that after two years he could buy it out.

Everything except the first sentence and the conclusion there seems to suggest get shut!

That seems to be the general impression, but I can't find the date of the Nuts awards. Interestingly though they will be broadcast on 23rd May, so maybe we'll all get to see exactly what Benni said.

Well, surely every time he refuses to play, or refuses to train, he is blatantly not honouring his contract and is eligible for a fine. You don't pay someone for doing nothing. So fine him every time he refuses. But he won't. Someone mentioned how he honoured his contract at Porto. Unfortunately, he also played considerably crapper there that season, scoring only three goals in the league and one in Europe compared with 14 in a similar amount of games the year before. That's what worries me. That and that we just might be mugs enough to sell for way less than he's worth...if he goes for £6 million though I think we should hold a protest.

Good idea. The way to deal with this is to fine him, making him want to leave the club.

Alternatively, we could keep a 29 yr old facing a difficult second season in the PL, or sell a 20-goal a season striker for £8 million, is the flipside. So, we can lose. As for cash...I should think 8 mill is the minimum we could and should expect from a club like Chelsea. Personally I'll be angry if we sell any of our best three attacking players (Bents, Benni, Pedersen) for less than 15 million. Or in Bentley's case, less than 25.

Well, maybe he'll finally find out that Phil Neville is a crock of crap and shouldn't be anywhere near the England setup.

For christ's sakes, he's 20 years old! And you can't say he hasn't shown flashes of quality. He's done some fantastic crossing. There's time for him to develop. To me, it was ludicrous he never got a real run when Pedersen was playing awfully, and it's also a reason he isn't playing consistently. Pedersen was USELESS when he first showed up don't forget. We give foreign buys chances all the time. And like Eddie implies, if Peter isn't going to make it, I struggle to see which of our other youthies is likely to!

The last one they did about him didn't say that either. But either way, I don't expect this to be the last time we hear that phrase attached to him. Could be a couple of years before it drops, if ever. Even nowadays, I still see Savage referred to as the former Manchester United trainee. The guy's 32 and was there when he was a teenager.

I don't think it matters how long ago his injury was. It was SAVAGE, and a lot of injuries like that, you never really heal from. I got a much gentler toe injury over two years ago now. I didn't play for over a year and a half, and I don't think it's ever going to fully heal. In the meantime I picked up an ankle injury just because I tripped over something while kicking around. And that seems even less likely to heal completely, and very likely to cause me future problems. What didn't happen to me in either case was my toe or my leg get slammed to a ridiculous angle like what happened to Shabani. But do I think we should keep him around for 2 million? Nope. Oh and I see very little similarity, apart from being African, between Benni and Nonda.

Er, that's Garry Flitcroft...weren't we talking about Matt Derbyshire? And I don't believe everything it says...my lecturers won't let me!

*Shrug* Wikipedia says born Blackburn.

Er, no? Born Blackburn

I don't need to read the thread to know my answer. Without a doubt, it's Mark Lawrenson. Total ass.

Can anybody give Mafioso a hand with that then? Oh, and Cletus..

Not being very old (I'm 22), I have never seen any footage of Simon Garner playing. I looked on youtube and there doesn't seem to be any clips of him there. I'm wondering if anybody could obtain footage of this legend plying his trade, and put it up on youtube? (EDIT: I thought I'd compile all the clips onto the first post so that people can easily view them instead of trawling through the entire thread. So, here...and thanks to Whittle Blue, Elwaxo and Hasta:) Rovers v Barnsley 1989 - Simon Garner hat trick 5-4 victory just found this... Rovers v Villa vStoke(a) (No Garner goals on this one, just David Mail) Rovers v Derby 1987 Welling (a) FA Cup v Wolves (a) v Wolves (h) And while we're at it, nothing to do with Simon Garner other than that it's BRFC, but why not: Burnley away 2000 If anyone knows the scorers (in order) of any of the goals there, let me know and I'll edit the info into it.