Just now, JacknOry said:

This is what a few do not seem to be able to understand. 

It is extremely frustrating to be shot down with the 'trust Mowbray' each and anytime you dare to say something against one of his/the clubs decisions. The man must be a messiah that never makes a mistake - he will be off to Madrid then I would guess seeing as they are looking for one of the best managers in world football.

For the 9th millionth time - we trust Tony Mowbray has the best interests of the club at heart and is doing his very best to move the club forward. Does this mean that he gets everything right? NO. So he is not to be held responsible for signings such as Whittingham, Gladwin, Hart but should take all the credit for Dack? 

Sick to the teeth of being met by the same tosh every time we talk or question anything.

Lets all hold hands and circle a picture of TM while chanting "Trust Mowbray FFS".

 

Not said trust Mowbray in everything he does, I just thought on the Brereton situation, we should trust him, he doesn’t seem the type of manager to pay up to 6/7 mil on a duffer, I just personally don’t think we have seen enough of him to make any judgement, and till Graham and Dack aren’t doing the business he will have to bide his time, regardless of price.

Now that’s MY opinion, not questioning yours or others,  I respect yours and others opinions, and you should respect mine, but I should be able to post different opinions than you and others.

No need for the sarcastic comments in your last sentence.

19 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

You say that people can’t put forward a decent argument, but whenever people disagree with you, you try and shut them down by calling them negative? Rendering debate pointless? ?‍♂️.

Literally everyone hopes for a win, we all support Rovers. We all trust Mowbray, I haven’t seen a single post saying they don’t. 

Go on then, I’ll bite, what other teams buy players for £7 Million in this league, then don’t play? It is what it is, and he’s clearly got a job on to displace Graham, but we can’t pretend it’s normal to spend that amount of money on players that don’t play all the time....

Why do I try to shut people down, I’m just putting my view across, and then the usual who disagree with me on nearly every point, shout me down and call me positive, but you don’t seem to say anything to them,think you should be a little fairer in your judgement.

3 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

It just lacks credibility if you don’t quote posts explicitly saying they don’t trust Mowbray IMO. You’d never get any sort of action for quoting someone’s opinion... Besides, he’s the most trusted manager we’ve had in years! 

Wasn’t Armstrong £1.75 Million?

No, goes up to 3 mil, same as Brereton could be, so much then going up to 6/7 mil.

12 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I’m saying the first thing, I’ve been saying that for a while tbh. I’d expect a striker coming on as sub for another striker to do the unthinkable and play as a striker! ?

Fair enough.?

Just now, K-Hod said:

Literally everyone hopes for a win, we all support Rovers. We all trust Mowbray, I haven’t seen a single post saying they don’t. 

Go on then, I’ll bite, what other teams buy players for £7 Million in this league, then don’t play? It is what it is, but we can’t pretend it’s normal to spend that amount of money that don’t play all the time....

Ha ha you keep saying everyone trusts Mowbray, there’s one or two on here who don’t, no names I don’t want any more bans,warnings, everyone is going on about the fee, no one bangs on about Armstrong but he was 3 mil, probably wants to start every game, but he can’t yet, and we’ve had to play him wide,absolutely destroyed Leeds, Brereton  has been bought for the future whether that’s this season or next, 

Just now, K-Hod said:

I hope you’re right in the fullness of time, but he hasn’t show any of those traits in the same way yet. So while he gets up to speed, it seems unfair to play him out of position where those skills would be most required....

Yeah I get that, so what are you actually saying should happen, have him as sub and come on for Graham playing up top, or play him from the start instead of Graham, or play him and Graham both up front from the start, and then where does Dack play, he’s not strong enough to be central midfield and wasted on wing. Think we know Brereton and Armstrong both want to play out and out striker, but while Graham and Dack are doing the business they will have to bide their time.

2 hours ago, philipl said:

Everybody is missing the wood for the trees.

There is plenty of evidence from Pune that the owners would not have spent the £7m on Rovers in any other way. So people playing championship manager signing half a team with £7m instead of Brereton are missing the point- it was Brereton or nowt.

Personally I am glad he is here and while nothing is certain in football there is a much better than 50% chance he will be worth £7m as a 22 year old. If he comes as good as some videos and opposition fans suggest, that goes to £20m+.  If he loses it mentally under the £7m tag then his value drops. 

Let's look forwards to him blossoming here and hope he seizes his chances when they come. Remember MGP hardly got a single full game for almost a season after joining us.

Ha ha you won’t convince the usual lot on here Philip, I agree with you 100%, but you  can’t put a decent argument with them, because they won’t change, I mentioned on here yesterday, ask the Sunderland fans what they think of Graham, paid 5 mil, scored 1 goal, but for us he’s been great and still is.

Its all because of the fee, they think he has to start straight away, but while TM plays Graham up front with Dack behind he will have to bide his time,  if he ever decided to go 442 put  Brereton side of Graham, but where does Dack play then, going back to Graham he was 22/23 before he started to bang them in, but you’ve got to have patience, does surprise me the amount of folk on here who dont trust the manager, but mention that on here, and all you get is abuse, onward and upward and let’s hope for a win today.

18 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Now you are being silly.

Of course training is crucial.  Many of the top, top players are where they are because they practise their skills long after others have sauntered off.

There are other players who hate training and don't show up well but on the field of play they are dynamite.

The bottom line here is that Mowbray has, IMV, come out with ludicrous comments about Brereton earlier today which could be interpreted as a serious indictment on the way Rovers scout players and make judgements on players.  To sign a central striker in a huge deal for Rovers and then say based on training, he's more suited to playing out wide is, IMV, farcical - it's then compounded by commenting we are a striker short!  If this had been Kean or Coyley..........................................................................................!!!!!

Oh dear you’ve said that word again,C——-y, boss man will be on to you.

Listen I know you’ve think Rovers have made a big mistake in signing him, basically it’s because of the size of the fee, Mowbray couldn’t care less if it’s free or 6/7 mil, he obviously rates him and signed him, if that’s what it costs and the owners trust him, so be it.

The lad is 19 and T M thinks he needs more time before he starts regularly, at the moment Graham and Dack are the main men up top, the system we play Brereton has to be wide striker or on the bench, I honestly think he will turn out to be a decent  player.

Think we all rate Graham, but Sunderland paid 5 mil for him, think he scored once in 30 odd games, and he started at Boro at 19 years old went out on loan various clubs , scored 4 goals in 40 games for 5 different clubs, only started scoring freely at Carlisle when he was 22/23.

At the end of the day everyone will have their own opinion on him, early days.

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He didnt. He didnt say anything like that. He, admittedly with a bit of hyperbole, said what others have said, that match days are when it matters.

He said match days are all that matters, not five a side kick abouts.

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I understand but disagree with Armstrong being ahead of him in your opinion. Both of them are strikers who seem to be in limbo between their natural positions and playing wide, but with Armstrong, all of his previous good performances for us were wide and his skills are more suited to be effective there, hes small, quick, runs at players. 

Dack I cant understand. If you put him up front, firstly you are moving him from the position he has been so impressive in since he joined. Secondly, hes shown in the last week, he isnt suited to being the furthest man forward.

Mowbray stated that he potentially sees Palmer being able to play up front, hes not a striker in a million years either.

My point about Nuttall was that he considered him as one of his options to be a striker. At the moment he doesnt see Brereton has an option centrally, even though he has far more positive experience at proving himself in that position.

I don't think Brereton should be our first striker, and im not even demanding that he is only chosen as a striker. But to not even be considered as a striker, behind 2 midfielders and a fellow young striker without the fledgling potential that Brereton showed pre-Rovers just makes no sense to me. And to spend 7m on a striker to play wide and leave us short up front doesnt make any sense either. 

 You are totally taking their obvious intentions out of context. Training is obviously very important otherwise they wouldnt do it. But it doesnt matter how you perform in training if you dont perform on a match day.

How am I taking it out of context when AL says all they do is a bit of five a side in training.

Just now, Mercer said:

Didn't seem to for Ben Gladwin.  Seemingly stunning in training but, IMV, total cr@p where it really mattered!

LV has also mentioned Bruno Ribeiro, seemingly another star in training but who looked useless again where it mattered.

Ok, just a couple, just can’t believe you don’t think training is crucial, so if you don’t do it in training just throw him in the team and hope for the best.

17 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Bruno Ribeiro was the Brazilian Denis Irwin....in training!

So are you another saying training doesn’t matter?

Just now, Al said:

I take it that you either watch all training or take part and have first hand knowledge then.

Ha ha funny you should say that, seen one or two training sessions,  let’s put it this way Rovers training is very intense, and I can assure you playing a few five a side kick abouts does not happen, certainly different from the last manager, do you remember Joe Rothwell saying a few weeks back it took him a while to get used to it as he hadn’t experienced that kind of training before.

Just now, Al said:

 

Neither has anybody else in a match environment. Matches are where points are won and lost and that’s where players are judged not in five a side kick abouts.

5 a side kick abouts, is that what Rovers do in training, ha ha right ok.

Training doesn’t matter,!! training is everything, that’s the basis on picking the side, you haven’t seen enough of him to make any judgement yet.

1 minute ago, JacknOry said:

No, I meant to help carry the slack through the season. DG rarely plays 90 minutes so it would be good for BB to replace him. Or perhaps have BB start and DG to come on later. 

Ok, think while Graham’s playing as he his, he would have to start, IMO.

4 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Well, highly rated, played for England youths and has 50 Championship games under his belt already, so there is obviously something there. Am sure he will come good in some capacity but right now we need somebody that can help DG to carry the slack.

So are you saying he should play next to Graham, which we would have to change our system, or are you saying he should replace Graham if subbed.

3 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

But he isnt getting his chance though - this is part of the debate. When DG comes off, they put Dack up front instead of BB and todays comments suggest that if DG is not fit for QPR, BB will unlikely be getting a chance in that either as a striker. 

People understand the kid is young and are not laying the blame at his feet but are just commenting that the transfer has them a little puzzled when so much money has been spent on somebody who seemingly is not being trusted to play in the position he was originally bought for.

Yeah do understand that, probably the reason is that he dosnt seem to hold the ball up and play back to goal as well as Graham, whether that improves with training or he has to play a different role, time will tell, just a feeling he will end up a decent player, certainly hope so.

Just now, K-Hod said:

That's true, but, when Graham gets subbed off after 65 minutes every game for Brereton, there's no good reason for Brereton to not directly replace Graham up front really.

Yeah agree on that, depending on the score, if we need a goal and Graham is subbed, give the lad a go, but you know me, I probably trust Mowbray that he knows what he is doing, and before the usual jump on me, I know he doesn’t get it right every time, but with seeing them training every day you would think he knows better than most.

Just now, K-Hod said:

I'd rather have Armstrong wide because of his pace tbh, I'd say striker was his second best position. Particularly with the way we play, I feel our strikers benefit from height advantage. 

With respect, Brereton is also very fast and tricky, I know we haven’t seen much of him, mainly I’ve watched the Forest clips and he’s certainly no slouch, if we played 4 4 2 I could understand everybody saying he should play next to Graham, but we don’t, and while Graham’s doing the business he’ll have to bide his time.

2 hours ago, 47er said:

This isn't treason, Brereton's not reading this, he's supported by everyone when he plays, everybody wants him to make good BUT ITS JUST NOT HAPPENING.

Meanwhile we are light upfront. That's an understatement, we are totally dependent on a 32 yearly staying fit.

We should not be in this position and the same goes for centre-back. For 7M we could have solved both these problems and added a keeper too!

 

 

So what are saying,drop Graham,? we play 1 up front with Dack behind, if Graham gets injured he’ll get his chance.

1 hour ago, Biz said:

Said the same about Armstrong last January.

Can I ask a question - how long before you’d cancel and release his contract for being shit? 10 sub appearances? 15?

Do we give him 1 league start and if he doesn’t score we put him out to pasture?

 

You’re right,can’t believe the hysteria on here about the lad, Armstrong thinks he’s an out and out striker but with Rovers playing a fit Graham, we have to play Armstrong/  Brereton as wide strikers, Armstrong destroyed Leeds in the first half playing left of striker, TM system has Graham up top with Dack behind, till that changes they will both have to play wide, not as wingers but wide striker, when Graham’s times come to finish he might get to play in his position, as an out and striker.

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

Wow.  Incredible comments.

Did Mowbray watch the lad at Forest before we signed him?

I think this signing has horror story written all over it.

Think most of clips I’ve seen of him at Forest was as a wide striker, how you can judge him after a short time is unbelievable, yep think I'll believe Mowbray before you, but we’ve all got an opinion.

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Urgh. This nonsense is going to continue. Hes a centre forward, he was for his previous club. He looks hopeless wide and both Mowbray and Brereton will incur criticism if he continues to play him there and play poorly at that.

Without going over old ground, I just find it amazing that fans like your good self, can question someone who watches him in training every day, of course you could be proved right, but a I would prefer to listen to a decent manager over any fan.

Henry when first signed for Arsenal was a left winger, turned out to be a decent striker.

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

woosh

Woosh, what would that mean?