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Brereton casts a disproportionate shadow given the fee. For us to spend so much on one player is significant, for that signing never to have nailed down a starting berth raises a lot of questions as to the logic. It’s hard to see how this one turns around, Shades of Davies & Grabbi I fear though I’d be delighted to be proved wrong. i’d cut TM a deal of slack on loan signings, I tend to think of those as being gambles on fringe players. If they come off, great; if not, you keep the receipt & return the goods ! The issue this season is that Mowbray’s best signing has been a loan player in Reed who really looks the part and became anything but a fringe player. I understand taking the gamble on Palmer (& similarly last year on Harper...) but neither worked out. Rodwell...meh...some classy touches hinting at what once was but he failed to nail down a regular spot. Not convinced he’s a centre back, unless he plays alongside an absolute beast. Chapman...always going to be one for next season given fitness. Hope rather than expectation. Armstrong worth it for the money. Think we can get more out of him. Rothwell has emerged late in the season to demonstrate real potential.

https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/50147/questions-asked-of-mowbray-after-blackburn’s-alarming-dip--interview

It would appear in Rovers books as an expense

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/nottingham-forest-fans-sing-mull-2410393

I’ve said it elsewhere, hopefully it bears repeating; Rothwell I think is very similar to Rochina. A lad with abundant talent who is exciting to watch & makes things happen but at a cost...the cost being a tendency to over elaborate, to run down blind alleys & make a poor choice as to when to play a final ball. We couldn’t find a place for Ruben rightly or wrongly & we seem to be going down the same road with Rothwell. Last week at Wednesday, he made a goal & always looked to make something happen. Yesterday, the 3 subs all made bright contributions and nearly rescued a point out of what at one point looked like being a proper toasting by Villa. My observation based on TM’s radio chat last week & how he’s used him all season is that he doesn’t appear to trust him to carry out instructions. I’d be tempted to start Rothwell & Brereton every game till the end of the season to see if they can do it week in, week out & then at least we’d all have some hard evidence one way or another ready for next season. if I was Rothwell, I’d be a bit twitchy as to my future at Blackburn Rovers.

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If this is next year’s home kit, we’re being run by the accountants....

The FFP calculation is based on the football club but “related transactions” are excluded to ensure as far as possible a “like for like” comparison between clubs. This means that spending £1m on a top accountant might be a better investment than a centre forward.... modern football. ?‍♂️

Covered higher up in the thread...essentially, yes, it’s a possibility. So using my analogy, it would be like falling out with your mum & dad & them asking for their money back meaning you have to sell the car you’ve just bought & accept that you’re riding a bike for a while...☹️

The losses can be seen in a/cs at Companies House but those accounting numbers are then adjusted for FFP calculations, so you can’t just take the numbers from the a/cs & add them up. Certain transactions are allowed/disallowed to ensure (allegedly) a common standard. This stops Venky’s from circumventing the rules by paying say, £100m for a Venky’s shirt sponsorship deal. That would be a disallowed transaction as it would have obviously have been inflated above market value. Now if you can explain how Man City manage to do it, we might have a path through FFP !!!

Indeed & this is the conundrum that Waggott & Cheston have to contend with...chase the dream & succeed like Wolves or fail like Sheff Weds/Villa, or accept our place, develop & trade young players, pick up some free transfers & so on...we are back to the standard Rovers 1970’s/80’s business model. The added complexity now is that every year 3 clubs come down with parachute payments which dwarfs our income. Andy Holt at Stanley has a similar challenge albeit on a smaller scheme but his view is to build a sustainable business which operates a football club. Rovers effectively need to do something similar as FFP makes cheque book ownership much more difficult/risky.

Nice summary...thanks for picking me up on the India issue, never come across that before TBH but there’s always an exception to prove a rule ??

Well I thought that & stuck my neck out but it seems I was wrong...?

Then I stand corrected...

Me too ?

I’ll post this under the heading of “item I never ever thought I’d post on a Blackburn Rovers fan site” ? & I accept that it’s not likely to bring people flooding into the site but regarding the tax benefits of owning multi national corporations... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20580545

I covered this higher up the thread...the extent of the debt dwarfs what they could ever hope to get from a liquidation.

Irrelevant to be blunt...all subsidiaries will be grouped up into the ultimate parent undertaking in India...that’s where the final tax computation will take place.

You couldn’t be more wrong if you had sat down & tried. Ask yourself why all the major accounting firms have global presences and advise their clients on how to minimise their tax bills across multi national tax regimes. ?‍♂️

Stuart....I’ve absolutely no idea ?‍♂️ I guess the original intention was to improve brand awareness ahead of a business launch in the UK. They’ve DEFINITELY increased brand awareness globally but I suspect not in the way they intended. Why do they stay ? That depends on your viewpoint - you could argue a sense of loyalty reflecting the mistakes they made & a sense of duty to put it right; you could argue it’s small change & the brand awareness has been worth the investment; you could argue it’s such a small part of their empire, as long as losses are contained, it’s no big deal. I’d bet it’s a combination of all three to varying degrees...and yes, the losses can be offset against global profits in other subsidiaries so it doesn’t cost them the full up figures...but it still costs them...

Yes

It’s debt to the extent that it demonstrates how much we are overspending compared to income, but it’s not debt like your mortgage or credit card bill. It’s more akin to borrowing off your parents. It’s debt, but all parties accept the reality...they’ll not ask for repayment & you’ll never be able to afford to repay ?

The only way Venky’s debt is repaid is if one of the following happens :- 1. Club income increases to such an extent that expenses are fully covered by income leaving a surplus which can be used to reduce that debt...so realistically PL TV money is probably the only way t/o increases to that extent 2. Venky’s find a buyer who values the club at a price which would cover their debt - so north of £250m. The only way Blackburn Rovers will be worth that sort of money is if diamond mines are discovered in the Riverside and oil deposits are unearthed in the car park behind the Blackburn End if Venky’s want out, those loans are gone, they ain’t getting it back save for putting the club into liquidation & selling the land at Ewood & Brockhall but even then, this would barely dent the sums owed, they still stand to lose a fortune. If there is something to worry about, it is them stopping to fund the weekly shortfall of £300k, because then we would have a distress sale of our players and we’d be operating like Accrington Stanley. Now there is a an argument that at least this would be sustainable and “honest” & to be frank, I have a sympathy with that view. But forget ever returning to the PL.

OK, I think I get you; the best example must be Burnley then. They didn’t overspend after their 1st promotion, used the parachutes wisely, maintained sensible budgets and won promotion again, didn’t overspend, were relegated once more and repeated the trick again. if things go to plan, they might get another chance soon....

I’m not sure how you are defining success if you are offering up Blackpool (a basket case club if ever there was, thanks to owners, who ended up in the 4th tier) as an exception; but just considering the last 10 years or so, these clubs have been relegated and bounced back, some more than once, so they must have managed the transition to some extent :- Newcastle Utd Middlesbrough WBA Hull City West Ham Wolves Fulham Cardiff and er....Burnley