24 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I usually agree with you but completely disagree on this 

The owners were imo 100% correct to stipulate that no-one would be leaving this window and that shouldn't change just because there's been some last minute interest in Rothwell. In fact especially since it's so last minute.

They should be presenting a United front on this, and Mowbray shouldn't be undermining the message.

All that crap about he only ever moved twice during his career etc etc. If say Everton rang this morning and offered him 6x his salary to take over there he'd WANT to be in situ by Monday. However if the owners said "sorry mate you've got a vital job to do here for 4 months first" he'd have to suck it up and take it.

You and seemingly the bloody owners are taking none of the following in to accounts;

1. The fee offered and whether it is a good offer for a player with 4 months left on his contract.
2. Rothwell’s thoughts and whether he will continue to perform if he stays with the club.

3. The player(s) lined up as his replacement 

4. The dressing room and how they feel about him coming back into the fold after all this. 
 

The best person to make all of those judgements is the manager, and perhaps Waggot. Not the owners and not their pet, Suhail. 
 

You might not like Mowbray, but he’s there to make decisions about the squad of players. The owners are stupid if they don’t listen to their self appointed manager.  Unless of course they’ve decided he won’t be there past June. 

2 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Need to have more than one style/formation , we instead moved players to accommodate staying the same and it didn’t work. Completely lost the midfield 

Well, we didn’t stay the same did we…. We replaced our combative midfielder with a ‘striker’ (don’t actually know what he is), totally exposing our two best players. No wonder we lost the midfield, we only had two players in it… and neither of them are naturally defensively minded. 

Absurd decision from the manager and one he needs to learn from really, really quickly if we’re to keep pace this season. 

Just now, Silas said:

What about the couple nailed on last min pens we've got away with? Or was that last season?

It's all blending into 1 for me during this bloody pandemic. 

The Nyambe handball vs Preston sticks out in my mind 

Just now, garnersfags said:

I agree with this, but we'd have possibly got away with our 2 limp wing-backs if Buckley hadn't been imprisoned in front of our defence. 

He HAS to play further forward, in a free role. He is no longer our plucky utility player. He's our creative force.

It's criminal, short-sighted, and clueless. 

That's why I'm depressed tonight. 

The best moment we created in the second half came from him being further up the pitch and zipping a ball in to BBD so that Edun could get around on the outside. Him and Rothwell are our two best players at the moment and we destroyed them tonight for the opportunity to play Gallagher. 

Just now, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yes but that wasn’t in any way, shape, or form a “ tackle “.

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Yes but that wasn’t in any way, shape, or form a “ tackle “.

Possibly you're right, but I don't think the ref would have sent him off for it. 

3 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

What happened to being sent off because you're the last man?

I always refer to the 'Samba in the League cup semi final vs Villa' example for this one.  Genuine attempt to get the ball punished twice i.e. Penalty and red card - 2 nil up, 25mins in and the game got destroyed. 

I was livid that night and argued with my non-Rovers uni mates that it was a completely absurd rule back then.

Anyway, double jeopardy rule has come in since then so unless I'm mistaken, genuine attempts to tackle the player in the box is no longer a red card offence. Might be wrong.....

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

but the formation wasn't confusing tho. We pick the wrong player to replace Travis with and choosing Gallagher meant a change of formation

 

Yeh, so I think the confusing bit was Mowbray's decision to change a highly successful shape to the complete detriment of our own team, not that nobody could recognise what was going on. 

Game finished almost two hours ago and I'm still absoutely amazed at his decision to play Buckley and Rothwell as holding midfielders. I'd LOVE him to explain that one.

In fact, if Sharpe or any other journo is reading this it should be their first question to TM whenever they get chance. Bollocks to asking about referees and penalties... That just invites platitudes and clichés and detracts from the fact TM got it badlu wrong to start with. 

Just now, jim mk2 said:

We've had a superb and unexpected run to get to where we are but I do get the feeling we're in a false position and that it only takes a few players missing like tonight or a run of sub-par performances and the wheels will quickly fall off. A very tough run of games are coming and a Tony death spiral would see us probably struggling to stay in the top 6 at the end of them

I've felt like this all season but this group have a knack of proving us wrong!  They deserve our support for an unbelievable season so far and Ewood should be rocking on Monday night. If this is the start of a slump then it won't be for lack of effort or endeavour. 

Just do us all a favour Tony and stick to the shape that's got us where we currently are! 

2 minutes ago, booth said:

Wouldn’t they also be down to ten men?

Isn't the double jeopardy rule in place to avoid straight red cards for penalties? Of course excluding zero attempt to get the ball i.e. Shirt pull etc 

Just now, bigbrandjohn said:

So banana skin it was. Don’t be too harsh on Gallagher folks, I think he will be the target man in Brereton’s absence with Khadra and Markanday on the wings. 

Why are we playing two wingers/wide attackers all of a sudden?!?! We haven't done that for at least two months and we've taken 26 points from a possible 30.... 

I feel like I've gone back in time! 

Just now, SoldierMo said:

Davenport for travis and buckley and rothwell would have had their freedom but tinker tony has started

This is exactly what I can't understand. Davenport must be wondering what he has to do. He must be abysmal in training! 

Just now, joey_big_nose said:

Terrible subs. Ayala to handle Eaves makes sense. Otherwise Johnson has ruined our shape and Dilan anonymous.

What shape? The manager blew that at about 6.45pm when the team was announced. Absolutely Crackers. 

Disasterclass tonight from the manager. Talked before the game about not taking opposition lightly, and sends us out without a recognised holding midfielder. Catastrophe. 

Big test for this group now vs Boro and Luton

6 minutes ago, Devon Rover said:

Jesus. That was awful. Blatant penalty aside, we've been abysmal. Rothwell, Buckley, Gallagher, Rankin-Costello all rubbish so far. JRC clearly not up to this and it is a bad call by Mowbray to have picked him there against Lewis-Potter, as is the attack line which looks all wrong. Does the club get to claim Gallagher's wage back for not remotely doing his job? We'd may as well be down to 10 men again.

How does this get better second half? I just don't see it.

Buckley has played the pass for our two big opportunities, not sure exactly why you've singled him out. Bloody Mowbray has stifled him and Rothwell by making the bizarre decision to play without a defensive midfielder.  He's shoehorned Gallagher in and unbalanced us because of it. 

Change it now, take Gally off and put Davenport on, allow Buckley and Rothwell to take the shackles off a little bit. 

20 minutes ago, Gav said:

Great I say.

You can park closer to the ground, no queue for the pie stand, no queue for shandy and you get away quicker.

Oh yes and the football isn't bad either.

Onwards and upwards.

Thank God Venky's bought us, eh? 

23 minutes ago, BRFC4EVA said:

Garbage. Stop merging events that are mutually exclusive. I was happy that SA got sacked. I was also deeply unhappy that Venkys became our owners and livid that Kean was appointed manager. Why is that such a difficult concept? 

As the other clubs I've mentioned, they've done perfectly fine without him.

Exclusive 😂  What a story. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41219627 - Crystal Palace sack De Boer... 7 games in to his tenure.  Employ Hodgson to save them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47195701 - Everton sack Marco Silva 18th in the league. Appoint a world renowned manager, sign James Rodrigues and finish..... 9th

https://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2008/09/05/keegan_resigns_0908_feature.shtml Keegan leaves Newcastle 7 months after replacing Allardyce. Relegated end of that season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/39761704 Sunderland relegated 12 months after Allardyce kept them up (quite miraculously).

Not sure your argument holds much water....

19 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I expected Allardyce to some loyalty towards to his present employer at the time.

Why?  If he'd lost 6 games in a row we'd have probably sacked him. All this with no budget in the richest league in the world.

But I don't get this Allardyce love in that still people have with him. He balled up his dream job with England didn't he. 

Love in?  I think it's the other way round.  I think more often than not it's a desperate attempt for people like Yourself to continue the flawed argument that sacking Allardyce was in the best interest of the club.  Not interested in England - he was a complete plonker is what I'll say.

on Obafemi transfer, what I wanted was decision to be made and for us not to wasting time and chasing someone who had zero interest in coming here. And for us not to be missing out on other targets we could have signed. You might be happy to wait for him to take weeks making decisions but if a few days he can't a decision then I would move on

As far as I'm aware I don't think you have to only focus on one transfer target at a time.  Leaving the possibility open to Obafemi was not an issue... far better than a 'Now or Never' approach.

Yes I know all about the Walker's family not liking football and lack of finances at the club at the time. But wasn't the Walkers family told by Williams/Finn running the club that with the new TV deal coming in and being so much money they didn't need to sell the club. 

Don't know.

Like I said at the time if he wanted to move to Dubai for the extra cash then we should have allowed him to go. 

Hmmm, Williams probably knew he wouldn't easily find a better alternative given the route the Walker's had decided to take.... I imagine it was no more money until we sell.  Allardyce is your best man for that .

Plenty of good managers out there at that time. I thought they would have moved to more of overseas set up with director of football/head coach set up. 

Based on what?  You knew nothing about Venkys, their knowledge of football or the advisors that they were listening to. That's like getting in a car with a fella in a balaclava and saying... 'Hmmm thought they were taking me to a lovely holiday resort... what am I doing in this old warehouse, tied up, with a rusty knife held to my plums... this isn't what I'd envisaged at all'.

Venkys listened to the wrong people at that time

Correct. So did you.  A Venky's statement said: "We have taken this decision as part of our wider plans and ambitions for the club."

Alex Ferguson. "I've never heard of such a stupid decision in all my life, it's absolutely ridiculous. I don't know what they're doing up there, but deary me. "

12 hours ago, BRFC4EVA said:

No we're not in denial. Why do fools like you think that 'bung Sam' was the only person capable of managing our club? He was boring,  negative, regularly threw games against his big club mates and wanted out anyway. The big mistake was appointing that evil con merchant Kean in his place when there would have been 50 managers more suitable. 

Do you think that Everton, or West ham, Palace or Wba are bothered that he is no longer their manager? No because they appointed someone better in his place.

May 2010 - 10th placed finish in the PL..... 
December 2010 - Sack Allardyce.... cue great delight of BRFC4EVA and others... Long Live Venkys!
May 2011 - Survive on last day of the season after dropping like a stone down the league.
May 2012 - Relegated.... cue, 'Well we didn't know they'd appoint Kean... it's not our fault.... VENKYS OUT'

But those fans who thought it was shortsighted to sack him are the fools.  Amazing stuff.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.  You can prattle on all you like about 'who should have been appointed', but whenever you sack a manager there is an element of risk.  When you sack a manager less than a month after buying the club, with no prior experience in the sport and against the extremely sound advice of the chairman.... well, it's an accident waiting to happen.  But YOU celebrated it.

FOOL.

2 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Conversely Gav the FA never brought any charges and there was no police involvement. I remember really looking forward to watching that programme thinking finally there would be concrete evidence of wrongdoing and that evidence would open a can of worms and expose wider misdemeanours in the game but there was no evidence provided by the BBC, in all honesty it was much ado about nothing. Plenty of innuendo and suggestion but no firm evidence. 

Innocent until proven guilty?

Do you remember the bit with Harry Redknapp where he told an agent that he really liked Andy Todd, and they tried to construe it as 'tapping up'.  That was a terrible programme - revealed absolutely nothing.   I seem to remember Alex Ferguson took up a 7 or 8 year Boycott of the BBC after the programme also made allegations against Darren.

6 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Excellent post Jimmy. I won’t ever forget the absolute idiocy of a sizeable proportion of our fanbase as they cheered him out of the door… 

There's a few reading and regularly posting on this thread!

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Venky's certainly haven't (yet) a top class manager is almost all that would be needed to transform our fortunes although it has to be said the sheer incompetence of Waggott means that a change of CEO would likely be necessary as well.

Correct, and therein lies the problem.  Wouldn't trust them to find their arse with both hands, never mind a competent manager.  They stumbled upon Mowbray and he's been the best of a really poor bunch.

17 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Interesting hypothetical, if you offered Allardyce the sort of salary and budget to try and get us promoted that he accepts annually to keep Clubs in the PL, would he take it?

Probably not, as he's already turned that chance down at WBA.

If you offered it to say Hughes, I'd wager you'd get a different response.

Not withstanding the fact Allardyce is 10 years older than Hughes.  In fact, about 10 years ago Allardyce took a fairly similar job... the West Ham one.  Got promoted first time of asking and stabilised them as a PL club again. 

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What was required at the time was a better manager than Allardyce which was well within Venky's means at the time.

😂😂😂

11 years and 9 managers later.... seems some still haven't learnt their lesson.