55 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

If I had to bet on it I’d say Dack will never be the force he was previously. Those were two really serious injuries. Being out for the best part of a year in todays football is never a good sign.

The thing is, everybody in football will be thinking the same. Who’s going to take a chance on buying him ?

No-one.  We'll have had/will have the best out of Dack - he's at his highest level now.  He won't make a Prem move, so unless we go down, or for some reason he's unhappy, I can see him staying for his best years.

Broughton when asked has he had chance to speak with Ryan, or his representatives?

“Not yet, but that’s on the agenda, and will happen very soon.  “Hopefully we’ll have an answer on that shortly.

“Ryan is a top player, he can be a top, top Championship player, I think he really suits the football that Jon wants to play.

“We’ll sit down with him, but it’s wrong of me to put words in someone’s mouth and I haven’t had chance to speak to either Ryan or his representative.

“When I’ve done that, I’ll be able to give you more information.”

I'm a bit disappointed with that.  9 days(?) since he was appointed.  That is one of the most pressing matters this summer.   If Nyambe stays we PROBABLY have enough cover not to worry about right back.  If he goes it's yet another position to fill in our threadbare squad. 

I understand Nyambe left the Namibia squad for personal reasons last week so maybe he hasn't been available to speak with,

5 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Phillips will be 17 before the season starts but I tend to agree. Carter will be ahead of him in the pecking order based on his League One stints. Think next step for Phillips should be a loan.

It's an interesting one. There's a temptation to throw him in because of the plaudits he's getting, but I think we need to be so careful with him. Ridiculous comparison I know, but look how Pep handled Foden. He didn't loan him, but he took huge care in ensuring they didn't overload him. Even when pundits and fans alike were going mad for hin to start, he stuck to his guns and protected him until he was ready. Its even more difficult with a defender because they're unlikely to get many minutes off the bench. 

It's a tough call and a situation that will need to be managed really carefully, but expecting him to come in as a first team regular is a very risky approach. 

19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Brown is 23 years old. Hardly a youngster is he? 

Ash Phillips is highly rated and part of the England squad at his age group.

Vale is 21 and I think he is someone who would develop better here and play a good part for us. 

Ayala might aswell go anyway cos he never fit and injured far too much

Brown - no, didn't know you were classing him. Surprised you define him as an U23 tbh, I have him as a first team player now, such is the lack of depth in our squad. 

Philips. I repeat, he's 16. Wayne Rooney was once in a generation playing at that age, perhaps Bellingham as well. You risk destroying him by asking him to play against full.professionals so soon. To my knowledge, he's never played a senior game for Rovers or any other team? 

Vale - 1 goal in 10 at Halifax last season.  5th tier I believe. What qualifies him to be a regular first team player? 

Who was your 4th? Apologies, may have missed it. 

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well based on last season Buckley was. Lets see how Dack is this coming season after a proper pre season first. For me, Buckley can play either role. 

Dolan has talent but needs a head coach to bring it out of him. He was very good in the first couple of months until we switch formation to back 3. 

We talk about Gallagher before so I not going too deep into again. 

There is the different I think the 4 I mention are ready to play a part in our first team but won't play a part if you block their path way. I would like to see Vale given more opportunities all last season. Anyway we have to agree to disagree on this. 

 

 

The idea of blooding youngsters is great, and a model all clubs would love to use. But an over reliance will lead to massive struggles. The majority of these kids won't make an impact in professional football, never mind in the Championship.  We've had loads of hopefuls that have ended up dropping down the leagues - Willem Tomlinson springs to mind, playing at Chorley now.  Adam Henley made quite a few starts for us, now at Chorley as well. Jason Lowe made 11 starts for England U21s and was captain of our U23s. He's 30 and has played at Salford in League 2 for 3 seasons. 

Last year everyone was desperate for Butterworth to get a go. He was hopeless 99% of the time.  I'm not saying immediately give up on him, but bringing through 4 youngsters on top of our current squad isn't the answer. We've lost 3 senior players, at least 2 or 3 regular loan starters, Brereton will likely go as will Ayala by the sounds of it - so that's 8 lost. Considering we were light on players at the end of last season, in my opinion we are on an absolute knife edge at the moment, and fast running out of time. 

45 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

@1864roverite here’s my thoughts following my interactions with those at the club.

Very insightful, Miller! I look forward to @1864roverite riposte.  A perfect opportunity to educate us dullards as to the grand plans at BRFC. 

1 minute ago, Gav said:

The ship has sailed, the best candidates have said

"No thanks, we're not working for this lot on adopting the chicken farm road to success" and sadly, gone elsewhere JBiz.

We are now trying to make a silk purse sow's ear, as we have done for 11yrs, its pathetic.

Whilst I understand exasperation and terminal disappointment in not only this process, but the club as a whole, I don't think we're yet in the territory of being outraged, perhaps reserve that until the appointment is made.  I suspect this anger is probably still the Mowbray mourning process as much as anything, along with at least a vague hint of smug justification towards those that vehemently opposed him, particularly those that constantly said "anybody but him".... Which was ridiculous in itself as we might well discover the hard way. 

If it is Tomasson, I don't suspect anyone on here knows enough about his managerial career or him as a person to make a judgement or prediction of any real substance. 

He'd have my support undoubtedly and based on his status within the game, rightly or wrongly I'd be intrigued and probably more excited than if a Mowbray MkII was appointed.

9 hours ago, Tom said:

I know other clubs do it but what’s the actual justification for the Waggott Tax additional £30?

Is it purely a ‘not loyal enough’ punishment?

Tell you what would be interesting…. To see the pattern of sales from previous years.  Let’s say, in the last 3 years we’ve seen a considerable spike in sales once fixtures are announced, or once the transfer window re-opens.  Before then you get the die hards who’d still be there at five to three even if Rovers folded. 
 

So, come out with this loyalty claptrap, making our already ludicrously high prices seem a tad more reasonable or at least have that defence of… well, the loyalty scheme was place.  Then when the bulk of the tickets are bought, bobs your uncle, £30 higher for the majority of this unwashed, disloyal rabble we call the fanbase. 

5 minutes ago, goozburger said:

It's his assistant (Bellamy) I'd be more worried about. Doesn't seem the most reliable nor stable of people to have knocking around in such an important role.

Everytime I read or hear about Bellamy in podcasts or various autobiographies, the general consensus is that he was absolutely brutal with certain people in dressing rooms. At Rovers it was Pedersen who he singled out, a lot.  

Wonderful player, one of my favourite to play for Rovers, but I wonder about his tempremant as a number two. 

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

 

Within 12 minutes you have ignored your own advice and got fixated on an interview's soundbites.

😂😂😂

2 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Dack might not even be in our starting 11. He’s nowhere near were he was before the last cruciate injury yet.

Did you expect him to be? He was largely playing 45mins here and there, picked up another injury etc. How often is it said that players can take months to trust their bodies after a bad injury, never mind two! 

I hope with a good pre-season behind him we can start to see him influencing us more and more. Before his injury he was one of the best in the division, I'd hope he can still be a great asset.

I might be wrong, particularly in this young side that were inevitably going to have, but I'm not sure Wharton would have enough respect in the dressing room just yet.  The captain isn't just the player choosing heads or tails before kick off, or even the most vocal on the pitch. He's the link between the manager and the team, he has to be strong enough mentally and carry enough respect from the manager and the players to fulfill that. 

Of the top of my head, looking through the squad now, providing he stays fit next season, my captain would be Dack. He's a senior pro, a good pro and has overcome huge obstacles. He's a driving force when he's on the pitch and now he's matured I think would thrive in a senior role. 

2 minutes ago, goozburger said:

Could be a sign that he's reuniting with Kompany at B*rnley.

Bellamy doesn't seem the most reliable coach to have around based on what I've just read.

Bellamy been linked as assistant manager via Nixon and one or two other sources. 

Although, reports today suggests Nice might want Kompany... Could that be the reason for the delay in his appointment? 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/vincent-kompany-burnley-manager-nice-24161906.amp

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We should be looking for promotion after just missing out on the top 6. 

Despite probably losing Brereton, Nyambe, Lenihan, Rothwell and not yet having a manager or basic backroom team in place? 

Top 6 would be an extraordinary achievement in my opinion. A season of solidity would be my expectation. And god willing, a great season for Dack! 

1 minute ago, unsall said:

But I certainly don’t make decisions on buying a season ticket on the whims of rumours on here.

I don't think anyone else has... There were a few "If they get appointed" statements being made, but nothing at all definitive. 

For what it's worth, IF it is Warne or Ainsworth I wouldn't be overwhelmed with joy, but I wouldn't be horrified. Both have overseen extended, succesful spells at their clubs with zero resources. I'm quite certain I'll renew my ticket as well, unless Coyle or Kean for some absurd reason got another crack at it. 

24 minutes ago, unsall said:

And why it depends on who we get as manager before committing to a season ticket is crazy.

 

Totally disagree. This idea of blind loyalty is so infutiating for any normal person who purchases a product based on its quality and value for money.  Okay, a football club is somewhat different because we are hugely nostalgic about loving the club our entire life, but ultimately if that club you pay to be part of is no longer representing the values you hold dear or doesn't even consider the feeling of complete detachment of its valuable stakeholders, then you can choose to walk away as many thousands already have over the past 11 years. 

The superfan guff does nothing other than confirm you have an over inflated opinion of yourself as some super Rovers fan, and a lack of imagination for what else you'd do every second Saturday.  It also assists in justifying every poor decision Waggott and the rest of the rabble make. 

A joke appointment would make a  Rovers ST even less palatable than the previous decade, make no mistake. 

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Warne has had 3 cracks at the Championship and been relegated in each. Until he can get through that barrier and keep them up he shouldn't even be considered.

They might have meagre resources but so do many other clubs that have survived in the Championship over the years

If success in League One is our focus, why?

Could say the same with Farke... Albeit a league above, but of course with far better players and a far bigger budget. 

3 cracks is a bit of a stretch by the way. The first time he was appointed as interim in Feb with them 11 points off safety, after Kenny Jackett resigned a month into his reign... 

Two bites at the championship cherry, but I reiterate again, Warne has spent nothing there in 6 years, you'd absolutely expect them to be relegated from the Champ, but they've certainly not disgraced themselves im recent years. In that time he'll have had to turn around 2 or 3 teams which suggests not just a flash in the pan, but a manager who can consistently re-energise and refresh a squad to bounce back. We're going to have to accept someone... And I am now highly doubtful it will be an exciting or first rate appointment. With Farke and Carvahal now gone, who's your preferred candidate? 

25 minutes ago, Tricky said:

 

What an absolutely underwhelming appointment after all this waiting though... 

Brilliant and impressive? He's still green. 

300 games managing in L1/Champ. It's more experience than most being mentioned.  His time at Rotherham has certainly been impressive, particularly after a quick look on TransferMarkt seems to suggest he's spent the square root of F. A. 

Having said all this, he never seems to get mentioned as a candidate for Champ jobs, so maybe I'm missing something 

18 minutes ago, Butty said:

Paul Warne into 3/1 on SkyBet. Someone’s sticking some money on him. 

One I wouldn't be totally against. Done brilliantly at Rotherham. Spent NOTHING there yet constantly over achieves. Hasn't managed to keep them in the Champ which is his only blot in an otherwise impressive tenure. 

3 minutes ago, Mercer said:

It happened as sure as tomorrow's Monday.

I'm in Mallorca at the moment so thankfully tomorrow is Tuesday. Might have been tempted to believe your latest attempt at ITK'ing otherwise. 

Throw enough shit, some sticks. 

20 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

You boys can rhyme as many off as you like…I’d take every one of those recommendations over yours!

Theres a million reasons why some work out and some don’t but I’d rather Carlo be making the decision than Waggot!

 

I think you'd have been satisfied (or at least pretend to be) by any single manager that was eventually appointed.  

Many, many assistant managers would come highly rated by their former bosses. Brian Kidd, Paul Clement... Even Steve fucking Kean was hugely rated by Chris Coleman. 

Ultimately, there's nothing to suggest Ferguson is a good manager at Championship level... He might be, he might not be.  Fact is we've been told for weeks we're seeking experience at this level. If they appoint Ferguson it's an instantaneous dumbing down of aims and expectations. In fact, it would stink of absolute failure and panic. Another risk by owners and their stooges who haven't got a clue.

Your premature and over zealous reaction to this makes me think you'd portray this delight even if Mowbray was reappointed. No one could be this delighted with a totally unambitious and risky appointment. 

15 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

I total agree with his last words of this video. nothing better than watching your team live in a stadium seting 

All this nonsense isn't going to convince anyone to renew.  Appoint a manager, set realistic pricing structures for season tickets, show a modicum of ambition in the transfer market. 

So far Rovers' communication this pre-season has been to acknowledge one or two birthdays, tell us the kit release date (amusingly an improvement on previous debacles), make a ridiculous excuse to extend the earlybird offer to mask woeful sales figures, and now these videos. Talk about fiddling while Rome burns.