This is where Armstrong lets himself down. He does score goals but he wastes an awful lot of chances.

Now that was a good individual goal.

2 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

The club still haven't shared the starting 11 to Instagram. Has the social media guy gone on his holidays? 

Part of the current “protest”?

1 minute ago, Paul said:

Steady. I didn't say there were or are ego problems within the trust. I do believe though the Trust should have expanded its interests but I don't think not doing so was anything to do with ego. Overall I feel there just wasn't the desire to look at any other aspect of fan representation. A real shame.

Sorry I read self-interest as ego.

I agree though that fan representation should have been an aim.

We currently have a fans forum which seems to be a bit of a reluctant coalition imho.

1 minute ago, Paul said:

I'm good thanks Stuart. We've kept ourselves safe, sound and a touch bored. Hope your family are all safe as well.

Lost opportunities? For me the big one was The Rovers Trust. There was a point when membership was higher than the Arsenal Trust. From memory I think 1200+ had signed up. A supporters trust can and should be involved in many things but Rovers Trust was always a single issue organisation. Had the Trust expanded its interest and ideas, looked to work in other areas of fan representation it might well have maintained the membership numbers and become a real voice for the fans. Sadly it focused only on being ready should the club ever be for sale.

When a new board was elected I understood there was going to be a new impetus. As far as I can gather from a couple of emails a year not much is happening.

Also good, thanks Paul.

Some fair observations there. I wasn’t aware of ego problems within the Trust. That’s a shame. Their aim now seems to be a seat on the board but I don’t see that happening under Venkys - and certainly not under Waggott.

I still pay my membership but on the basis of an insurance policy of sorts. That there will be an organisation there to help to pick up the pieces when the inevitable does happen, and negotiations need to take place with administrators to keep the club name and badge. There is a credibility about the Rovers Trust that would benefit from outside support. I get the impression that the current Trust are not ready for that - hopefully they will be one day.

20 minutes ago, Paul said:

There was too much self-interest and real opportunities were lost.

Hello Paul. Hope all is well with you.

Perhaps you can elaborate on these real opportunities that were lost?

Seems to me that the lack of a majority of dissenters hurt us back then just as it hurts us now.

The majority of our fans have no appetite to cause any upset and will just put up with whatever is served - even if it means they are being taken the piss out of. Although to be fair we have lost a hell of a lot of fans in the process.

Mowbray’s (or Venus’) strategy seems to be buying L1 hopefuls and loaning non-PL-ready U23s.

The irony being that Rovers youngsters are up there with the best in their class and yet are overlooked for said loanees.

If anything we should be blooding our own and loaning experience.

Bowyer didn’t play the youngsters in dead rubbers either.

After a season of abject failure there is still a slim chance of finishing in the top half. Despite what he says about not looking at the table, he would surely us that, and covid, and injuries to “key” players as an excuse for not making the top 6.

(I’m not one of those people who thinks he is going anywhere in the Summer).

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

What U-turn? Talking cobblers again. 

I still want Mowbray out and a new football manager in as 2 people can verify that is my view as I have had private chats to them outside this Rovers fan site. @Paul Maniand @PeteJD13can verify this if you ask them?

I will discuss Mowbray and his future whenever I decide too. So please don't tell me what to do it think please. The best way to pressure on Mowbray is voicing your opinion inside Ewood Park and letting him know our opinions are

If you dont want to buy club merchandise then that's fine. But no one should be made to guilty and victimism for buy mechanism especially since its 14 months since we were allow inside the stadium Ewood Park and supporters want to back normality and support the club like before the pandemic. 

Also I ain't going to tell my step daughter no to having some club merchandise if she wants to. The 14 months have been tough enough with online learning, lock downs with pandemic, etc for her. 

👆🏻This is the problem with too many u-turns, one inevitably ends up going round in circles…

The fact that this is one of the post popular threads on here right now shows exactly why we are stuck with Mowbray et al.

Every shirt sold is a thumbs up for the Coventrio. The same people who have currently only “shelved” plans to sell off parts of Brockhall.

Buy a season ticket, yes I understand the reasoning, there is a great deal of emotional and social attachment - but a shirt, an overpriced shirt? And a Macron shirt at that?

This is a chance to protest in the “there’s nothing I can do” world that we live in.

Show our displeasure with the numbers. As soon as they are gone, go ahead and buy one, hell buy two!

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

So apart from yourself who else wants to take part in these protests? Cos it's only you talking about it

You really are going full u-turn at this point.

You “want” Mowbray out but there is nothing you are prepared to do, sacrifice, abstain from in order to put any pressure on.

Interesting that you are now not just declining to take part in but actively trying to marginalise my “protest” suggestion - and to be clear it was a suggestion that people stop buying any club merchandise until Mowbray is gone. Not that much of an ask.

But you do make a good point, there has been absolutely no discussion about it aside from me suggesting it and you telling me that it won’t work - much like you would say about any suggested protest. The reason it won’t work is precisely because of people who think the same way you do.

My request to you though would be: please don’t ever, ever complain about Mowbray again.

All that said, does anybody else have a view on a merchandise boycott? Even from some of the most vocal people on here the chat has been about what next season’s shirt might look like and the manufacturing quality, FFS!

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thanks Stuart. I feel better each day and we come our this pandemic and lockdown measures. 

You cant answer how many supporters want to protest about Mowbray's future? 

Also are going to.say no to your children wanting some Rovers club merchandise? 

Please. Just don’t.

You still haven’t answered the question of what type of protest you would be prepared to take part in.

15 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Personally I think it's obvious Ryan isn't fully focussed at the moment as he is due for the exit door.

It’s almost like he doesn’t want to bust a gut to impress Mowbray enough to extend his contract - maybe even get a new one.

In all seriousness, would anyone blame him for wanting to get away from Mowbray. Hell, we have fans walking away because of him.

His career is short and he needs to be somewhere that he can develop. At this point with all of the stopping and starting and being made a scapegoat I wouldn’t be surprised if the relationship is dead at this point.

11 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Shebby Singh came in cos the owners asked him to but he was working for Venkys in India/Asia. 

Yes it is Stuart. Who wants to protest apart from yourself? 

No chance I'm telling her no Stuart. If you want tell your Children no that's fine but I wont. 

Each person will make they own decision but I'm not going anyone what to do or think. 

Your posts adds nothing to the discussion but hopefully it has made you feel better.

Have a good day.

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Kean left cos of Shebby Singh and got a pay off for leaving our club.

Shebby Singh came here because of the fan unrest. Ultimately it was the catalyst for change.

You’re welcome.

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

What do you want to do? Stuart, if you want protest and boycott merchandise then get on with it but you havent done any kind of survey of fans to see if they is ever any kind of appetite for either of those options? So why not?

Also after this pandemic that has seen Rovers fans lock out of watching our club. Getting back into Ewood next season inside the stadium to voice our opinions at the Manager. 

“Then get on with it”? Is that really your response? Get on with it? For a protest to work it needs more than one person to “get on with it”. You are making it pretty clear that we can not rely on you to help.

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why should I told my step-daughter that she can't have a Rovers shirt or any club merchandise? 

Because her sacrifice might ultimately help to ensure that her children will have a club to by merchandise from. Is it really so difficult to say “no”?

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Stuart, we are stuck with Mowbray cos fans haven't been allowed into a stadium for 13 months otherwise I think he might have been gone by now. 

We are stuck with Mowbray because the majority of our dwindling fanbase agree with you and not me.

Apathy over action.

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I still want Mowbray out and that hasn't change. So no god knows why you think I've gone cold on it. @PeteJD13can verify that for you if want Stuart?

If Results are bad next season then Mowbray will feel the pressure from the supporters inside the stadiums. 

To get the media companies like Twitter, Instagram, etc to remove abusive and racist comments quicker than they are. Plus banned people and get them to do people ID checks for people to verify their account 

Like I said if you was to abstain from Merchandise then do it Stuart. But if people want to buy club merchandise for themselves or their children then it's their choice and then should be allow without any negative comments. 

They already be done Stuart in the past and it change nothing with Venkys. People have held talks with Venkys and offer to help them. All been rejected. You have done protest after protest or walk out during games but did it change anything. 

If you want protest Stuart then do it. What are waiting for? But how many supporters want to protest right now? 

The protests I got involved in ultimately saw Kean removed.

But to cut a long story short, despite you wanting change, there is nothing you are prepared to do to try to affect it. Quite the opposite, you are prepared to help Mowbray and Waggott - because they are relying on fans just like you.

Your need to buy club merchandise is greater than any moral stance you might take.

Your posts on this topic sum up exactly why we are stuck with all of these people. I’ve tried to give you every chance but discussion about this with you is pointless. I just hope others out there - who are remaining silent - are a little more prepared to do the bare minimum to show their strength of feeling than you are.

2 hours ago, roverandout said:

No Adam Armstrong for efl player of the year. Buendi toney and pukki are nominated 

Not that I’m Armstrong’s biggest fan but given that Harvey Elliott has been nominated for EFL young player of the season, it’s basically about the club rather than the player - including parent club.

10 hours ago, JohnGo said:

Stuart simple mistake of copy and paste, just like Chaddy does with Nixon.

Lol.

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Who wants to Protest? Did you have any kind of numbers? And what the point of the protest?

On Boycotting Merchandise? Surely that's only affect the club financially and no impact on Waggott or Mowbray? Surely supporting the club is more important than anything?

We’ve reached the point, Chris, like we always do, where you will pooh-pooh any and every suggestion. When you thought Mowbray’s days were numbered, you were very vocal about him going. Now it is looking like he may stay, you have gone cold on it.

But what is the point of a boycott? What is the point of any boycott? It is to abstain from something until certain requirements are met and to build up pressure to do so. In this case, the removal and replacement of the manager who is taking us back to League One. What is the point of the social media boycott planned by footballers? It is to put pressure on social media companies to take down people, largely on Twitter, who are being abusive. But Twitter already does this - so what is the point of that boycott? Who are they hurting? What do they hope to achieve? Do you support that boycott?

It’s one thing buying a ticket, I can fully understand the social and emotional element, and why people may not want to give that up. It’s as much about being with friends and family as it is the football - more so. However, it should be easy to abstain from merchandise or other discretionary spend.

If Waggott saw sales drop through the floor BECAUSE he refused to act, or whomever at the club who makes decisions refuses to act, then it is them NOT fans who are responsible for the loss of sales.

But let’s be really clear, it is no use complaining about what us happening if you are not prepared to anything in response.

Here’s a question though, what WOULD you be prepared to do by way of protest? Any form of protest.

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I will be buying club merchandise next season and probably this summer when I go and buy my season ticket with my stepdaughter. Should I not buy her a club shirt she wants? We haven't be at Ewood Park for over 13 months. 

Stuart, If you want to renew or buy season ticket or protest before games or boycott buying club merchandise then do it but stop lecturing and telling people what to think or buy

Anyone buying a shirt or season ticket or club merchandise is supporting their club they support. The club is bigger and more important that Mowbray or Waggott. 

QED

3 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

I'm not sure it's that simple.

My 10 year old for instance over the past 3/4 years has really looked forward to seeing the new kits each summer so he can be wearing the same gear as the players, should I not buy him one over something he doesn't really understand yet or care about? Would probably risk him becoming even more detached after what will be 16/17 months out of the stadium come next season.

I mean, I certainly won't be buying one for myself, and don't think I have since 2006.

If it were a proper protest then yes, I’d expect a 10 year old to be able to comprehend why they couldn’t have a shirt.

Any younger and it would be a case of just saying ‘no’ and that they are ‘too young to understand but it is for the good of Blackburn Rovers and the town’. Parents to try to help them understand and to have a bit of pride in both.

As it is, we are just spit-balling here as there won’t be a merchandise boycott, or a concourse boycott, or any kind of proactive boycott.

We just don’t have that kind of fanbase, we are a very timid-yet-grumbling, live-and-let-live, c’est la vie kind of people (nothing wrong with that per se). We are just not able to unite around any of the key issues facing the club. The closest so far is Brockhall which must have really caught them off guard (although was more to do with Brockhall residents than fans). Venkys? Waggott? Mowbray? “It’s just the way it is” and “there’s nothing we can do about it”. (Of course there is but not enough will - and we have several fans on social media completely opposed to any kind of action).

So the outcome won’t be 7,000 fans standing up for the ‘heart of club’, it will be another few thousand quietly walking away while the rest prop up the ‘shell of the club’.. Sales will drop naturally because of the loss of footfall and not because of any specific cause.

Fans at other clubs wouldn’t put up with it. But then, other clubs wouldn’t treat fans with such disdain.

12 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

If you don't want to merchandise from Rovers Stuart then don't but I'm not going to any fans what to do. Each have the own choice. I haven't bought a Rovers shirt this season but thats cos I haven't been to any games and we been on lockdown most of the season. Will I buy a shirt or merchandise next season, more than likely. Probably buy a Rovers Shirt depending on the style and whether I like them.

So I’ll put you down as a maybe on the merchandise protest front then?

Seriously though, there is no hope for any type of protests if people aren’t even prepared to abstain from something as simple and non-confrontational as this.

Anyone buying a shirt is supporting Mowbray and Waggott and should not complain about either of them being here.

1 hour ago, JohnGo said:

I’ve not seen anything that suggests Maglorie is leaving. Come on Mr ITK why the hell is he leaving? Your one on this site that constantly writes talent off without seeing them. You tell us ow mighty one how many games have you seen him play this season?

Why do people keep calling him ‘Maglorie’?

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

All down to the quality of the signings the manager makes whether its Mowbray or a new manager(which I prefer) for next season. 

You really are building the foundations for your next about-turn, aren’t you.

It doesn’t matter the quality of the signings, Mowbray will not get the best out of them, and is more likely to take them backwards.