Should this thread not be pinned whilst the proposals are still live?

Not sure but whilst the owners were a ittle slow in sacking Bowyer it's nothing like the current situation with Waggott and Mowbray for me. If Mowbray was being judged purely on performance and results he'd have gone in Feb 19 imo.

What did he say? That he was cheap?

It was alleged by that Crook dude from Lancs Live in twitter correspondence I think. Something along the lines of "owners understood to be unhappy by recent results but not known if they're ready to make a change yet etc" I.e. doing a Nixon and hedging his bets so he can't be wrong either way no matter what happens.

Very honest reply. Thanks.

Completely agree - and it's happening again now as far as I can see, but is that not almost the definition of "naivety"?

Christ. 22 points from 23 games. One win in 12 is it? Wouldn't like to see us when things were going badly!

Do you not think that the mistake the people "investigating" the owners made, particularly at the beginning, was to automatically assume that they were either doing something illegal or at the very least acting in breach of FA regulations? Should that investigation not have focused instead on the people the owners trusted in good faith to run the Club on their behalf? Whilst nothing illegal or contrary to regulations may have occurred, it seems a lot of people have benefitted over the years at the Club's and ultimately the owners' expense. And, ten years on, is that scrutiny not more vital than ever? Particularly in view of Waggott's ludicrous proposal to flog off part of our infrastructure? Same old script, different personnel?

You might be right, but I was partially agreeing with you in pointing out that Chaddy was possibly being optimistic in saying we could revamp the entire squad on the back of an Armstrong sale. I think some of the assessments of Armstrong have been a bit harsh recently, he's the least of our problems, a bit like saying it was Rhodes' fault we never made the playoffs when we had dollopers like Jason Lowe in other areas of the pitch!

Thought we looked pretty solid when Wharton and Lenihan were paired together to be fair. Other than that I've not been overly Impressed. Anyhow, decent point in isolation on Saturday but I make that 22 points from the last 23 League games. Mowbray should have gone in Feb 19 and nothing has changed. 2 completely wasted years!

Be lucky to get more than £20m for Armstrong at the moment I'd say. Take off Newcastle's 40% and we're down to £12m. Then do you think the owners would make the whole amount available for re-investment? I'd say you might be able to get a couple of good uns in if Armstrong was sold (and Mowbray wasn't picking 'em) but to say we could revamp the entire squad on the back of a sale is a bit optimistic I think.

Do people at the Club actually get paid to come out with that garbage? Shame he isn't our player either.

I made the point earlier that these lists are merely compiled by the bookies to relieve mug punters of their money but it's a fair point. John Terry is an interesting one. Might be absolutely brilliant for someone, but equally could be terrible.

Or ringing HSH and saying "Who have you got?' The owners have tried almost everything in the past, they've backed Bowyer and Mowbray who made an effort with them fairly generously and starved managers who didn't make as much of an effort with them of cash. The one thing they've never really done is be really ambitious with their managerial appointments. The possible exception to that was Lambert who looked a good appointment on paper but who turned out imo to be a disaster and they should never have allowed him to put a break clause in his contract. Either he wanted the job or he didn't. Nevertheless getting the best manager and coaching staff you possibly can in is the only way to succeed. Bilic, Jokanovic or Wilder for me, as academic as it's likely to be.

Was thinking earlier we're probably a few months away from exactly where we were at the pont when Bowyer was sacked. Six years and £100'? m to go precisely nowhere. Difference was, Bowyer didn't have the CEO watching his back for him like Mowbray does.

Nah, not "working class enough". He'll get a lot of bang for his buck back in Teeside though.

It really is that simple. Get the best manager in you possibly can and give him a workable budget.

Surprised no - one is linking the Brockhall situation to Mowbray's likely departure date. It seems pretty obvious to me that the Coventry three are all in it together so I can't see him going until it's been resolved. If it hasn't been resolved by the time his current contract expires, I'd imagine Waggott will try and get him another deal. Once the deal to sell the site of the STC is done or more or less guaranteed I doubt you'll see any of them for dust. I think the only way we'll see him leave in the forseeable is if the owners can be persuaded they're having their pants pulled down on AND off the pitch by the latest in a long line of chancers. And I'm praying that will happen sooner rather than later so we can put some hope and pride back into the Club and preserve our infrastructure.

Not sure about Lenihan but otherwise nail, hammer. head. If we had our own youngsters in the side gaining experience then we could say we were building towards something worthwhile. As it is we're just bringing in countless loanees every season and are back to square one every summer. We had a side out on Wednesday which thanks to the neglect with the contract situation and the loanees bore no resemblance whatsoever to the one that will start for us in August. "Slow build my arse" And when the excellent and desperately unfortunate Scott Wharton does return he'll probably have been shoved down the pecking order behind several more temporary "solutions" from other Clubs.

The overall point Sparks makes is an excellent one though.

Wouldn't pay too much attention to that list, it's been compiled by the bookies to relieve mug punters of their money. Cowley has just gone in at Portsmouth until the end of the season so is temporarily unavailable. Whilst some of the list makes pretty grim reading, there are still 2 names that stand out Bilic and Jokanovic and I'd take a few more on there over Mowbray as well.

Evans?

The number for the Samaritans should be under "What would you like to do next?"

And the difference between Coyle and Mowbray in pure recruitment terms (apart from the fact that Coyle had got a team promoted to the Prem more recently than Mowbray) was? Must stress again, this is in no way an endorsement of Coyle.

(Tin hat on) Not saying Coyle is a good manager but the financial backing that has been given to Mowbray is incomparable compared to that given to Coyle. When Coyle was appointed, Lambert had left us without a single senior striker under contract. We managed to get Graham (who had been here on loan) back in permanently and Gallagher in on loan. No big money acquisition to replace Rhodes. In defence, the owners seemingly sold Duffy and Hanley out from under the manager for big fees and we had to make do and mend with loans and freebies at centre back and throughout the rest of the side as well. No £5m or £7m permanent signings, no luxury of being able to pay a couple of centre backs £1m p.a. each to play for Fleetwood or sit in the treatment room and no Premier League loans on request. Just saying.