Can't disagree with the first bit but (tin hat on) since relegation to League 1 can't say they've done anything too much wrong as owners other than hang on to Mowbray two years too long and counting. If you thought nothing would improve until they left, did you expect the decline to continue and for us to drop to League 2 or maybe even beyond when we were relegated? Oh - and let him appoint his mate as his boss. Maybe you're right.

Absolute rubbish imo. Don't fall for Mowbray's spin. That squad would be capable of beating anyone in the Division under a decent manager.

Funnily enough he was terrible away at Watford as well. In terms of the priority of our problems he's a long way down the pecking order though. The problem is the manager. No consistency with starting selections, bizarre tactics, players out of position - the team don't look like they know what they're meant to be doing and I think he's completely drained them all of confidence.

Class. Aha!

It's not because he has signed two replacements of his own choice.

What, the "let's not get dragged into the relegation zone 6 pointer?" The crunch time of the season was about start of December. We've been dismal ever since.

And they cost me £680 on a £10 accumulator by not losing tonight v QPR. Cashed out for £50 though.

What, the fact you don't think it will happen, or it will?

Good job I didn't put that pound on 5-2, we're only going to win 5-3. Edit: Brings our best player, Rothwell, off. Pretty standard.

Maybe we have to butter these PL Clubs up if the Academy is being downgraded.

Im going to repeat what someone else said earlier. Sod off Tony and take your Housing Development mates with you.

Yes, he's absolutely dire. Looked like he had velcro boots on before when the Watford player zipped past him. Has anyone caught a glimpse of the lesser spotted Curry Evans tonight or was him starting just a vicious rumour?

Doubt its Plymouth 1975 but do you think I should put a pound on it?

Why, do you enjoy seeing us getting beaten? Nothing will change until they go.

We've done it again. Been absolutely dire but nicked a late goal to create the impression of a game that was closer than it was. If any sort of decision goes against us second half that will give Mowbray something to latch on to Never his fault.

Well ....... could be the drubbing needed to finally focus the owners attention.Albeit two years too late. If not it's just another embarrassing night for a once proud Football Club on a paddy field of a pitch.

Terrible keeping from Kaminski. Nowhere near as good as he's cracked up to be imo. Can be quite erratic but by and large has got away with it up to press. At least he isn't Walton.

Evans, Christ. Whenever you see either him or Bennett on the team sheet you know we aren't going to win. What's the betting we see both him AND Bennett on the pitch for a large chunk of the game tonight? Could be ugly.

If that is exactly what he's said, it should be a sackable offence in itself. As already pointed out, it's a team from the same division not a team from higher up the pyramid in a Cup competition!

Thanks for the reply. The more titbits of information about this proposed scheme that people are unable to unearth I think the more inevitable it is anyway that the cash grab for the housing will soon be accompanied by an announcement that the Academy is being scrapped or downgraded and we'll be moving towards a different model. (Which would probably consist of us simply making even more phone calls to PL Clubs asking them to let us borrow youngsters in exchange for game time) Of Course "New state of the art training centre" if you take it at face value sounds a lot more palatable than "Academy to be scrapped" I would ask them if they've costed out upgrading the existing sites to make them "state of the art" as presumably that would be a lot cheaper in itself than knocking down the existing Academy and building a completely new facility. If they say "No" then the next question then should be "why not?" to which the only logical answer would seem to be that someone wants the money for the housing. Also need to try and ascertain what the net profit would be from the scheme, where the money would be going and if it was going back to the Club what purpose it was being earmarked for. Might also be useful to cite Mowbray's comments from the Lancs Live article in which he said that the current Academy site on it's own would not be sufficient. So why would it be any different with a new building? Good luck.

If you were trying to do your best to ensure the plan went through that would be a good idea. Would it not be better to keep that up your sleeve and use it as an objection to the proposal rather than pre warn the Club of any potential objections so they can think of a response? I think it would be however be fair game to give them both barrels regarding the covenant protecting the use of the land and that the plan would not be respecting Jack's legacy.

Not what I said to be fair. I said having this particular person being "involved" in the running of the Club once he had got the appropriate qualifications wouldn't particularly alarm me. I also thought it was self evident that that meant he would have to obtain the necessary experience before taking on a major role. (If it ever happened)

It's awful isn't it and we've had eleven years of this Arguably more if you go back to when Hughes left. A whole generation of young fans lost.

In the past whenever we've been on long lasing runs we've nevertheless had the knack of only losing narrowly and often grabbing a late consolation goal to falsely make things appear things were closer than they actually were. Wonder if this will be the case tomorrow? I sort of feel like it will be a thumping.

Nyambe?