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As much as I hate the whole “”like a new signing” nonsense when a player comes back from injury, Rankin-Costello has been a massive miss for us and we will look infinitely better with him in the side. Dolan is another very welcome return.
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3 hours ago, TugaysMarlboro said:
Chelsea after Wharton? £50m it is then.
The Gallagher thing probably explains why he's had a face like a slapped arse in all the recent social posts by the club.
That would be the price for us to start even entertaining the idea of selling him. All the talk of 15/20 million and reinvesting is stupid, it’d be swallowed up instantly for a few months wages. Selling out most integral player needs to be money that can make a positive difference.
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6 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:Nixon has a story tomorrow which isn’t the Phillips one - let’s hope thats some striker news.
My money is on another story linking Adam Wharton with a move away… it’s been almost 48 hours since his last one so he’s overdue.
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5 minutes ago, BG1492 said:
I get where your coming from totally but I mean in terms of playing in certain games he’s experienced.
17 times for Bournemouth when they finished 2nd & got promoted.
Quarter final (both legs) vs Madrid in the champions league & about 20 games in the prem that season.
Think it’s a good signing but we shall see.
That sounds more promising. Can’t claim to know much at all about him, but it sounds like he’s performed well in spells. No shame in not getting into the Liverpool side regularly, but I was surprised to see how few career appearances he had.
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17 minutes ago, BG1492 said:
Nat Phillips exactly what we need imo.
6ft 3, experienced for a 26 year old. Played a massive part in Bournemouth promotion a few years back.
He looks massively inexperienced for a 26 year old! Only 60 career appearances apparently.
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I was really looking forward to the Royal Rumble tonight, and was actually going to bother watching a live PPV for a change with all the potential intrigue. It’s as exciting as it’s been in a long time.
However these revelations have left me feeling like I really don’t want to bother. Obviously it’s been common knowledge Vince’s behaviour has often been questionable, and of late there was obviously something particularly unsavoury going on. But this is absolutely horrific. I think Dreyski hits the nail on the head above, the industry is pretty horrible. What consenting adults do is one thing, and in that particular environment there’s probably a fair bit of salacious activity and minor scandal goes on, but it’s pretty evident there are still a lot of things that go way beyond what is acceptable. I’m sure a lot will come out about Vince now, plus there’s the recent revelations regarding Jericho and his NDA. Lesnar surely can’t be used again, Don Callous shouldn’t be employed… could be another watershed moment like the me too movement of a few years ago with some top names outed rather than just brits and indie workers.
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10 hours ago, Dan said:
The Wrexham director Shaun Harvey comes across as very dislikable. I bet him and Swaggott would get on well.
Harvey was chief exec of the EFL between 2011 and 2019. Need I say more.
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3 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:
Suspect the £26m figure Duncan explains above has been conflated to “£26m tax bill” TBH
That was my thoughts. £26 million seems to be the annual amount Venky’s are happy/willing/prepared to remit. At a guess yesterday’s amount would be around £15 million given the 11 in October. With some, but far from all of it earmarked for tax.
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3 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:
So are you saying. "No hearing no funds"?
Absolutely. They can’t release any funds without that No Objection Certificate.
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19 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:Some suggesting on twitter we would get funds now based on previous ruling?
I'm not sure that's correct but dont know its incorrect either. . Pretty sure SW said we had to provide substantiation to each claim and given they granted the funds on the previous bills, surely they won't just grant another 11 million blindly in absence of the hearing?
I genuinely don't know their laws .
Anyone more legally minded know the likelihood of the above scenario?
This isn’t absolute gospel, just my understanding of the situation, and I’m no expert. However there is possibly some info that isn’t really widely acknowledged or maybe known:
- The investigations started back in 2021, initially there were no restrictions on them moving money out of India as the RBI had no objections. This changed in August 2022, at which point it became a requirement that any company under investigation required a No Objection Certificate (NOC) agreed by the entity doing the investigation - the Enforcement Directorate in this case
- We received the NOC for remittances in 2022
- We applied for another on 17th January 2023 which was rejected on 6th March, and a further rejection on the 31st March (for the amount of £26 million). This was rejected on the basis of the “Pedancy of investigation”. After this rejection Venky’s legal team also requested a quick resolution to the ED investigation
- On the 27th April 2023 Venky’s received correspondence from HMRC threatening a winding up order.
- On 24th May Venky’s received a letter from BRFC advising them of the potential consequences of not receiving immediate payments (presumably administration)
- On 23rd June Venky’s were granted permission to transfer £3.5 million based on the potential consequences outlined in the above letter. They were instructed that an equal amount had to be set aside as a guarantee as any future action taken by the ED would be a financial penalty (so presumably they don’t want Venky’s sending over money then pleading poverty if/when they get a fine)
- On 16th August the ED reported that their investigation would be completed within 15 days
- On 31st October Venky’s submitted another application for a NOC in which they highlighted the reason for these funds. As we know, this was allowed with some conditions:
A further guarantee of an equivalent sum
Auditors at club have 3 working days to file an End use Certificate (this certifies club are the end user of these funds and they won’t be transferred elsewhere)
The club must provide bank statements to prove these payments were made
- In this hearing it was outlined that club activities were not under suspicion, BUT the investigation was only at a “nascent stage”. This is very much contrary to what was reported on August 16th, and suggests these issues could run and run. It also suggests club finances will come under the microscope at some point
- Wording suggests that future remittances will be allowed, with the same caveats attached, but we’d still need to apply for the NOC, and this would likely not be granted if the club becomes under investigation
So while the money remitted has to be used for the specified purpose, it’s not entirely accurate to state Rovers can’t spend anything that hasn’t had court approval. They don’t care about the minutia of Rovers accounts (yet!), and funds generated by the club can be used for activities outside the scope of the court document (which covered Wages, tax, VAT, loan repayments, utilities and agents fees). So our fixture against Chelsea probably covered a chunk of the O’Riordan fee.
This latest round of funding we went for was likely to cover the same expenses from January til the end of the season. I expect there will be some funds available to cover some of those expenses, generated by TV payments, ticket sales, league payments etc. whether that lasts til the hearing in March, we will have to see. It almost certainly means that our very modest transfer budget has disappeared and we will be in another period of extreme austerity. I’m waiting for the announcement that I can’t sit in the Riverside on Monday.
So we will probably muddle through until the next date in March, with threats of winding up orders and missed payments, unless it gets moved again. Our transfer window plans are of no interest to Indian Courts who have cancelled and delayed several hearings already this year. Maybe there is some sort of contingency (player sale, short term loan). A further delay might be catastrophic though. Either way, this situation has become farcical and can’t continue much longer.
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33 minutes ago, bigbrandjohn said:Blimey Scenario 1 could be on the money
15 million quid. Thank you very much.
My concern is giving a percentage of that money to the egg. Too much for a novice to play with.
Love Wharton but a luxury in our current predicament. We need at least one striker and a midfielder to replace Wharton. some of the 15 million will help.
He’s not a luxury at all, he’s absolutely integral to the way our manager is hell-bent on playing. If anyone thinks we are bad now, imagine how much worse we will be if the one person capable of actually getting the ball from the edge of our box to the edge of theirs goes. There’d be no point in signing a striker as the ball would barely leave our half.
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I would love to know which specific events of the last 13 years are leading people to conclude that selling Adam Wharton would allow us to strengthen multiple areas of the squad and mount a promotion push.
People getting all excited at the prospect of a fee that’s dwarfed by the amount Venky’s have had to set aside in order to guarantee monies they are sending us to keep the lights on. Swapping our best player, who has a genuine chance of becoming an England regular, for a few months worth of wages for his inferior teammates who will likely fail to keep us in the Championship.
It would definitely make a statement - that we have given up anything resembling ambition or a plan. Being a feeder club to the likes of Crystal Palace is a disgraceful position for Blackburn Rovers to find ourselves in.
Lets hope the stat obsessed football manager enthusiasts are left heartbroken and it’s all just paper talk/Nixon bollocks.
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I don’t think Wharton is going anywhere for the moment. I certainly hope he stays. Take him out of our side and we will struggle to get out of our own half.
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4 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:
I had to watch it a few times but I thought I spotted Pickering ‘grappling’ with Helik and then Helik breaking away from him.
That could be utter bollocks though as I have the eyesight of a modern day referee 😄
I agree entirely that he shouldn’t have been marking him (if indeed he was!!)
Nobody was marking him. The genius with the iPad and the FA Level 2 in coaching goalkeepers course has decided our players are better off standing away from opponents when they have a corner, and marking space instead.
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3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:If you don't like my posts just ignore them.
I have posted my concerns about the club itself but I don't it in the match threads.
Anyway, I'm off to watch Sarah Millican at King's George Hall in Blackburn.
Enjoy your night people
Bloody hell Chaddy, have you not suffered enough for one day!
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JDT has completely lost the plot.
Chrisene spent the entire first half looking exactly like a full back being asked to play as a wide forward. Pickering gets injured, he immediately drops back in to his natural position, but JDT decides to sub him off and just completely give up defending our left hand side.
It’s been a big question for a while what Rankin-Costello’s actual position is, but I don’t think anyone had him down as a centre back. He did well but imagine how effective he might have been playing in a position he has actually played before!
Adam Wharton clear MOTM, most of the rest poor to average. Tactics are now a major problem - any other team in the division would’ve beaten us today. Even when we became completely cavalier and reckless defensively we created nothing and our goal was purely down to bad play by them and exceptional reading of the game by an exceptional player in our squad.
Ben “Keepers and set-pieces” Benson is robbing a living. Sack him and bring in a 40 year old pro as a player coach. He swans around with his iPad while we have Sam Gallagher stood on the front post at corners. His idiotic stat driven defensive routines need binning. Get back to basics, get our best headers marking the opponents best headers, the players can manage that themselves.
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I think one of the worst things about the whole reinvented history of our position before Venky’s came along is the disservice it does to everyone involved.
We had a brilliant board headed by John Williams who deserves to be held in extremely high regard by all those that care about this club. We were literally praised in parliament as being the model of a well run club under his watch.
And while his idiot relatives sold us down the river, it also implies that Jack didn’t make suitable provisions for us after his death, which is as insulting to his memory as it is incorrect. Although I’m sure if he could see the state we are in now those provisions would have been a lot more robust, but that’s on his arrogant and selfish children.
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Just now, Herbie6590 said:
Up for it @Miller11 ? 🤔
Absolutely!!
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1 minute ago, J*B said:
It’s just like fake news on Twitter, someone says it and it’s then repeated until it becomes true.
Smells of episode two of @Herbie6590’s new niche podcast POB (price of Blackburn), titled “Life Before Venkys - what was it like and what is true?” so that we have something on record to revert back to every time younger fans make up that the place was on fire.
That sounds like an extremely necessary public service. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve had to dispel the myth that we were in oblivion until they came along. Like talking to a brick wall most of the time though.
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1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:It isn’t 2012 when that was actually the case with the fanbase.
Apart from a few exceptions that know the score all I’ve heard away from brfcs since League 1 is ‘they were badly advised at the start, but they back us now’, ‘they put in tens of millions’ ‘we’d be bust without them’, ‘put more money in than Jack’, ‘we need to be grateful to them really’, ‘look at the academy’, look at Bury’, our fans are the problem, not the owners’… and I’d be amazed if most on here have heard much different.
The latest one is Venky’s saved us from oblivion when they took over. I don’t know how reality has become so distorted but that’s the new line.
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46 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:
I'd have thought it could act as a kind of unofficial mouthpiece for Rovers fans. Trust members are supporters and aware of the mood around Ewood, so in event of a contentious issue (eg, the Cambridge ticket controversy), it could release a statement giving the fans' point of view.
It might provide a comment after one of Tomasson's press conferences, backing (or otherwise) his views on the problems with the squad and the club's difficulties in making signings
There's lots that can be done to get the Trust (and Rovers) more in the media spotlight and yes, I do realise it does depend on people coming forward and putting in the time and effort
We’ve taken more of a proactive approach of late to be honest. Previously the Digital Day announcement would’ve led to us putting out a statement on our platforms, then contacting the Telegraph, Radio Lancs etc and giving them a soundbite which would likely never see the light of day.
More recently the approach has been to contact the club directly and tell them:
a) What the prevailing mood of the fans is
b) Why they feel like that
c) Recommend alternatives/solutions
d) See how we can help implement them
I’ve made a real point over the last 18 months to not just complain, but to try and provide solutions, and it’s definitely seen some success.
I definitely take your point though, content and Social Media are two areas we would absolutely love a bit more help in.
41 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:Are the trust any closer to direct contact with the Venkys?
Probably not. Might be able to give a fuller answer later this week.
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1 minute ago, jim mk2 said:
Does the Rovers Trust have a press officer pushing Rovers to the forefront of the MSM?
Looking at the website, the News Section has very little that would be of interest to the media
To take the threatened winding-up for instance, I couldn't see a news story, or some sort of comment piece
No, we don’t. The board is a small number of volunteers who commit varying levels of their free time. Were always on the lookout for more help from individuals with time and appropriate skillsets.
It’s a long time since anything at Rovers was of interest to the main stream media. It’s painfully difficult for the Trust to get anything in the local press or radio Lancashire most of the time.
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20 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:
Thanks Duncan , as usual a great professional response, and update .
I get the emails, but can't see any minutes of meetings on any of them, is there emails I'm not getting?
On another note, I have asked this question previously privately, but will ask publicly as it does bug me,
On the Trust history page, the trust has continued to not put my down as a previous board member, despite being heavily involved before the amalgamation and also former secretary, the only one the Trust does not put on!!!
I appreciate we have newer board members, who at times appear to post in a manner that I'm against an organisation which I've promoted throughout, signed up and pledged.
I'm allowed to ask question of the trust as a supporter without feeling I should not.
The reason I stood down from the Trust was when I acquired the smoking gun regarding SEM's contract with the club , the trust failed to release this into the public domain and felt they did not want to put their head above the parapet (Granted 90% of the current board was not in situ).
I therefore stood down, and released it myself to ensure the pack of cards came tumbling down around SEM etc,
Any way would of asked this in person, but have done a number of times
No problem mate.
The emails we send are usually in the form of a newsletter, as well as ad hoc one off news items. We generally don’t send the minutes via email, but they are available on the website. With the updates they aren’t all on there at present so we may have to look at adding an archive for the older ones.
https://www.roverstrust.com/news-resources/minutes
The history page is not on the new website any more. It was very incomplete (including the omission of yourself and others as well as missing key achievements and activities) and it became very difficult to try and bring it up to scratch as there isn’t any continuous board member who has been involved at every step, so the decision was taken to remove that section. Hopefully the site is more user friendly nowadays.
In due course (probably before our next AGM), I will write an article outlining the history properly and mentioning all those who have contributed… it’s quite a list! And find a more appropriate home for it on the site and in future Trust literature.
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9 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:
Are there no circumstances where you’d think divulging information would trump maintaining the trust’s relationship with the board?
To be perfectly honest in the last 3 and a half years there hasn’t been anything confidential of the slightest bit of interest.
To answer your question though, there definitely would be instances in theory. Long term health of the club is far more important than anything else.
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That *was* the January Window
in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
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Why would you pick one player transfer out of the hundreds that happen every year as your benchmark? And why that particular one?
I don’t really give a toss how much other players have gone for, as a club our primary concern should be what benefits us most. I’ve even heard people talking about a “fair price, which is just a ridiculous way to approach things.
First and foremost we shouldn’t want to sell our best player. If someone wants to buy him they must expect to make an offer we can’t refuse. Venky’s literally have more than £25 million set aside with Indian courts so they can send over money to keep paying wages and bills. It is not an amount of money that is going to allow us to progress in the pitch. Losing Wharton would weaken us massively and put us in real danger of relegation, what good would £25 million be then? No amount of money we could spend would allow us to improve on Wharton at the present moment, and while swapping one exceptional player for 4 or 5 good ones might be something that we can reluctantly accept, swapping him for a years wages for his inferior teammates would be inexcusable.