Eddie

I would agree that the majority of Israeli's do wish to live peacefully and would accept a seperate state, however I don't believe their government and the powers at be are looking for this sort of settlement.

Disagree with that. Israeli policy has shown that it is simply interested in claiming more and more land, which means until there is no more Palestinian state their actions will not cease, regardless of any suicide bombings or other violent acts, that simply provides them with an excuse. They are intent on claiming back land that they feel is rightfully theirs based on religious regions, no opposition or lack of opposition will change this.

Well it depends if you consider the actions Israel takes as retaliatory, personally I don't.

Actually, I'm not defending what they did, rather I'm attacking what you are saying. I'm not trying to say what they did wasn't so bad, I'm trying to say what you are all preaching is equally as horrible. As much as there may be a common theme as to how many killed in the name of islam there is an equally common theme as to how many are killed in the name of judaism, for example.

I'm not making an exuse, but there can be no doubting that the reason there are muslims anywhere in the world doing what they are doing is because of a fear and hatred of the western world being spread throughout the religion based on the actions we take in islamic areas. Of course I don't agree with this and most muslims would agree that they have nothing to fear and that they are in no way being made targets, but it is still what they feel.

Yes, normal people do horrible things. Just because they are muslims suddenly the fact that they were otherwise normal but committed a horrific crime is made into a shocking and terrifying fact. There have always been lunatics who, for one reason or another, have been willing to do horrible things, they have been black, white, arab, asian and they have often been rather regular and normal people, who no one in their community would have thought anything of. It is because of this that we cannot then say that we shouldn't let anyone in, that you have to be a pure British white citizen in order to be in this country and if you aren't you better have a damn good reason exactly why you're here, like being a footballer. It was their fear and hatred of what this country could do that led them to do what they did, sadly, it is the fear and hatred of many that could, if we lisened to certain members of this board, lead us to do something equally horrible, to not only kill 50 odd people, but to deprive thousands, if not millions, of of law abiding and safe lives in a country that they love. What you preach is no better than any muslim cleric calling for a religious war.

Maybe it was someone's birthday, or an enthusiatic French household celebrating the 14th.... Sorry to say though but Europe did not fall silent. I think everyone here would offer their deepest sympathies to all of those involved but no one really noticed any two minute silence.

"No arrests were made...of course" You say that as if it would seem surprising that people are not arrested when they do not break the law, shocking stuff really, isn't it?

I don't think I'm always right, but obviously if I hold a belief for that time at least I do believe it to be the right one. If you can say something that changes my mind then all credit to you, it is possible, but as of yet your mindless rants and insults have yet to ever do it. My actual point was that I thought you had the right to your opinion and because of that had the right to post that opinion, but I also then had the right to post mine. This was actually a direct reaction to the fact that a few of you right wingers had been complaining about the fact that flopsy was posting his opinion, one different to your own. Now it may just be me, but you are coming across as a bit of a hypocrite right now. So regularly the few of you who hold such extreme views ruin debates like this by forgetting the issue itself as you are bombarded by facts and opinions that go against what you believe. What you do to respond to this is to pick on the individual post or detail and take the discussion off topic, you avoid further embarrassment but your ruin the debate itself. It would be nice if for once one of you could avoid slipping down into personal insults simply because someone doesn't agree with you. I don't like what you say, but doesn't mean I then insult you because of it, I just try and prove you wrong and prevent as many people as possible from becoming the sort of illogical bigot that you are.

Half of Hakan Suker...they'll really be in trouble

The only reason any of you have any problem with the moderating on this topic is that a moderator happens to disagree with your rather extremist views, like most others I must add, and because of this you can't believe you are possibly being put in your place by someone who you believe should be staying neutral. Moderators should not be prohibited from participating in discussions, and one of this sort means that when you voice your opinion, especially when there is such a wide spectrum on show on the messageboard, you will offend some. I can't believe that some of your opinions are given air-time on any website, radio station or tv channel, I can't believe some of them even run through people's heads, but you are entitled to them and are thus able to post them on this board, my duty is then to respond to them and to try and attempt to point out why they are wrong. Flopsy is simply doing the same, don't change the topic because someone is simply making you think fast about why you have certain views.

Well dan I hope he or she is alright and it's all just a mix-up or something.

Of course. To be honest so much of it is simply guessing you may as well do it now. No matter if you had waited for the transfers to be finished almost no one would have predicted Bolton or Everton to finish as high as they did nor West Brom to beat the drop, while the middle is just one big almost inseperable muddle. EDIT : I may however review my table once it gets to August and most of the moving is done. I'd say wait until August 31st but a bit unfair to do it when there are a couple games of the season gone.

Well, as is normal for me I'll try and be nice and optimistic. 1. Manchester United (just have a feeling as it has been too long) 2. Chelsea 3. Arsenal 4. Liverpool 5. Tottenham 6. Blackburn 7. Middlesbrough 8. Everton 9. Charlton 10. Bolton 11. Aston Villa 12. Manchester City 13. Newcastle United 14. Birmingham City 15. Fulham 16. Portsmouth 17. West Brom 18. West Ham 19. Sunderland 20. Wigan Really difficult to predict what the table will look like. First of all I'm sure there are a lot of transfers to come that may well have a great impact on their respective teams and what is expected of them. At the same time very little seperates any of the teams from about 5-15, while towards the bottom there is basically nothing that can seperate that lot except things like proven Premiership experience in the case of Portsmouth and West Brom. I'm sure this season will provide as many, if not more, surprises as last year did. Hopefully it will be a little more interesting towards the top and Rovers will have a better campaign. Can't really place us, but would say we will be anywhere from 5-12.

It would make sense for you, but not for us. Given that it has only been reported by your friend rather than in any newspaper, website or tabloid despite the fact that they picked up on the release clause that does exist means it is unlikely that many of us on here will ever believe you or your friend. I think that is simply a case of wishful thinking. He's ours now so you can all just watch as he hopefully bangs in the goals in the blue and white.

Let's see you win them first.

Wow...just wow.

Aw Flopsy. Don't get all tough on us.

I think we all got what you needed to say from that line alone. Now shut up and go off to one of your silly little meetings, I'm sure if the UKIP isn't having one the BNP probably are.

Can we just wait and let the football do the talking rather than bash each others towns. Paddyk, I'm sorry to say but you've lost a quality player who I'm sure you always loved when he was wearing your shirt. We have him now and are happy that this is the case. Now go onto your Newcastle messageboards and have a moan about Souness, we're past it.

Well I knew paddyk would turn up again sometime after this transfer. Ignore him and he'll go away until we play them next. I'm still really pleased with this transfer and just can't wait for the new season to come, especially if we can add a couple of new faces by then and hopefully get rid of a bit of the deadwood. Like the rest of you I'm also really hoping Bellamy scores the winner against Newcastle.

Australia were the much better side today in all areas of the game, a deserved victory. Really makes the prospect of the test series more exciting, based on the results of the one day series it will be finely balanced.

Thanks for that Lee

Yes and making lot's of people angry who had nothing to do with this will stop it, good plan. As of yet we can't even say 100% sure that this was done by an islamic terrorist group, I really hope it wasn't, even though that sounds so odd. What we need to do now is to take firm action to prevent such things happening in the future as well as catching whoever has done this, what we don't need to do is lay the seeds for there to be more terrorists in 5-10 years time. Did you want every Catholic church to be closed during the IRA or Real IRA bombings? No. Did the French close every Mosque during the metro bombings by the Algerians? No. So why do it now? What makes this so different from the terrorists we have encountered in the past? Nothing, just America making it a war on terrorism is all. They are the scum of the earth, of that there is no doubt, but they come from a people who for the vast, vast majority this was an equally horrible event and who are nothing but law abiding. I find it amazing that as society and technology advance, making events like this even easier with the advent of new forms of weapons and communications that the effect that they can have is becoming even greater. Now this may seem to be a blinding glimpse of the obvious, but I don't mean in terms of the number of lives they can take, the number of buildings they can destroy, I mean in the societal regression they can cause. In these few short days I have seen some members of this board, as well as simply the general public, want to sink to standards so low, barbaric and ignorant that we would have been proud of them centuries ago. Yet somehow intertwined in this they are horrified by the acts of two days ago, judging them by modern ethics, but when we then plan our next action, our next step, we forget about these standards. You wish to judge these men or women by one set of rules and yet in punishing them you basically want to sink to their level, to a level I dearly hope I never see any society I live in go to.

What an amazingly crap article.