1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

too negative? what planet are you on? 26 shots at goal and 66% possession. hardly negative. 

So being on Brereton in the two games didn't have positive impact in both games and got us 4 points. 

You attend today? 

Didn't Brereton only get brought on in desperation when we were a goal down?

26 shots at goal, 66% possession, wtf were we doing then if we couldn't score?  Only goals count!!!

No I feckin didn't attend today as I simply didn't fancy it.  That OK?  My sons attended and I trust their judgement implicitly - texted at half time and said 'simply cr@p'.

If Brereton had started both games, we might have had SIX POINTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7 minutes ago, DE. said:

Really poor result. The manager's lack of courage and our love of conceding goals will torpedo any playoff hopes. Mid table is still a decent achievement but it's going to be a shame to think of what might have been, much like GB's first season in charge. 

This league is wide open.

Any half decent side with a half decent manager would go very close.  Momentum and confidence so important.

It's Boro and one other for me with Villa as very strong dark horses.  Smith is a shrewd operator - watch them go after today.

Just now, philipl said:

Possession 66-34

Shots 26- 13

On target 10- 1 (we know which one!)

Corners 11 - 3

No way you blame Mowbray unless you say Brereton's height would have been more effective than DG's efforts- with hindsight yes it would. We got a point at Derby we never should have done (they got beaten 0-3 home to Villa today) and Rotherham got a point today they shouldn't have done.  

Getting 6 points at PNE and Wigan would be lovely...

 

Your recent posts have been interesting to say the least!

Are you Rovers' secret PR man!?

Just now, BankEnd Rover said:

Rothwell should of come on earlier. The lad is a machine! Think brereton needs to start against Preston. Will be a very tough game seeing as they beat Bristol city away. Hate to say it, see us getting beat on the 24th.

Like the look of Rothwell.  To me, the lad has an obvious spark.  He and Brereton MUST start at PNE but with this manager there's no chance of that happening.

Just now, JacknOry said:

Just think he needs to be braver at home. Be proactive rather than reactive. 

We created enough chances but it wasnt happening - changes should have been made on the 60-70 min mark.

All reminiscent of the season we went down.  IMV, too negative - his changes rarely effect games positively for Rovers.

Just now, bluebruce said:

Do you ever look at your own 'Don't worry, it's in the bag' style comments after the game and think..."Ee eck, I'm a bit of a wazzock sometimes, maybe I shouldn't say that crap?"

Nope.

You get feelings about games.

If I have a hunch, I run with it.

Just now, Roboftherovers82 said:

5 draws at home now utter crap sorry we need to bring in a finisher in jan to help out graham or least give ben a run out 

He spent £7million doing that - time he played the feckin lad from the start.

Shambolic result.

All bets on Rovers are down but not bothered.

Serious question marks against Mowbray.

Our £7million striker sat rooted to the bench until last 15 minutes or so.

IMV, a steady Eddie but not a manager to take us to the promised land.

Glad I'm going out tonight!

Just now, OJRovers said:

Come on lads get a winner!

Not in doubt.

Go grab a beer / wine, relax and enjoy.

I'll stick with 2-1.

Cometh the hour, cometh the man - come on Big Ben!

Come on Mowbray - get the £7million striker on - we need a feckin goal!

20 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

License to print money - Mercer said. The lad is never wrong.

Just got in - surprised to see match isn't out of sight.

Still confident - stuck a bit more on Rovers' win - now at 7/5 also stuck a fiver on 2-1 at 25/1.

Sons who are at match said we are cr@p but I'm still confident we'll pull it out the hat.

4 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I gave Graham a pass as on his day he can be  

Ya a comically over the top assessment from their manager. He must be telling the players Dack in contention for the Balon D'or 

Think he must also have advised Rovers on the Brereton fee!

2 hours ago, Butty said:

How much you staking on us at 8/11 then big time Charlie? 

Enough for the winnings to buy a few nice reds !

Stuck a fiver on 4-1 at 33/1. 

A huge home banker this.

Expect Rotherham to be mullered.

Rovers even at 8/11 is a licence to print money.

'Fun' bet on this is Rovers to win 4-1 at 33/1.

Hope Brereton plays centre forward and notches a hat-trick.

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ive seen every game in played in apart from the Portsmouth cup game, whether its live or on the Rovers player on the Sunday. So I do see every game. 

 

 

I am talking about being at the ground watching the match.  It is only there where you can see a player's full contribution including movement (running the channels, dragging defenders out of position, tracking back), positions taken-up and general reading of the game etc etc - you don't see such aspects watching on a screen.

2 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

You should be a scout mate. Would save clubs a lot of time and money. He’s played less than two games worth of football for us. No league starts. You haven’t even seen them all.

By your own logic if he has an impressive 30 minutes soon then he’s undoubtably world class. Exciting!

 

edit -

In fact, for my own amusement, a cursory search showed that you thought “the jury is out” on Dack in September ‘17, after a similar amount of minutes as Brereton has had. Maybe your powers to instantly spot a good player are on the wane? 

Over a third of the season gone, a £7million deal and no league starts.  Says it all.  Madness.

Dack cost £750,000 not £7,000,000 - bit of a difference!

28 minutes ago, unsall said:

Apologies for butting in your and Chaddys  comments, just wondering when you say you easily spot those players with something in their locker, why then,  do you think Mowbray and his coaches scouts etc, think they have spotted something, who have probably seen a lot more of him  than us,  and please don’t mention him in the Alan Shearer mould, he was an unbelievable one off.

'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' !

What did Kenny see in Matt Dickens, what did Brian Kidd see in Ashley Ward, what did Roy see in Christian Dailly, what did Souey see in Grabbi?  Dickens was signed for a song but the other three cost big money and didn't cut it for Rovers.

Let's face it, all managers sign their fair share of duds including the likes of Fergie, Mourinho, Pep etc.

If Mowbray and his cohorts did identify Brereton and were solely responsible for his signing then their judgement may very soon come into question.

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I have my opinions Mercer but sadly we have different views.  Yes we do have different views but you shouldn't feel sad!  Life would be boring if we all thought the same thing!

Duff shouldn't be mention at all Mercer and you are trying to clever. No, I am not trying to be too clever.  I think you are missing the point.  When Kenny signed Tim Sherwood from Norwich, there were some very different opinions about Sherwood.  But despite a 'slowish' start to life in a Rovers' shirt, some even said he was struggling, it was clear the lad had something.  There was an 'edge' and an intelligence to his play.  As I keep saying, you can easily spot those players with something in their 'locker' whether it be a raw 17 year old from Ireland (Duff) playing his first/second reserve match or a young southerner from Norwich starting with a new northern club under King Kenny.  I've seen Brereton 'live' on several occasions in a Rovers' shirt and I have been underwhelmed - I have seen nothing in the lad to suggest he is anything other than a 'Joe Average'.  Nothing would delight me more if he had turned out to be a second Alan Shearer and he had shot us to the top of the Championship.

You haven't seen everything as you haven't be at every game have you? like Saturday.  No I haven't seen him in every Rovers game and I don't think you have either.

Why don't look into it instead of keep asking me ythe questions Mercer, you clearly have time to be on here. Chaddy, it is you who said he was part of England U19s that won the World Cup.  I was merely asking you how many games he started and how many goals he had scored which I felt you could easily answer being the huge football fan you are.

Last comment is ridiculous and sounds very bitter  It isn't bitter at all, just a bit of fun.  I know you are a great Mowbray fan but Mowbray's comments shouldn't be taken as gospel!

 

2 minutes ago, unsall said:

Try looking in the season ticket section, Parson agrees with me re Waggot, best Chief ex since Williams, turned club round, people like you and the rest seem to moan in every topic just for the sake of arguing, you’re never happy, decent average half season tickets, I honestly don’t know what you lot would be like if we were bottom of the league with a crap manager and Chief ex, don’t be saying Parson is different from me because he isn’t, he might not bite and shout back at you and others, but he’s a very positive person who thinks someone is eventually turning the club round, after years of neglect.

What success criteria have you and Parsons used to arrive at that conclusion  and how S.M.A.R.T. are the objectives?

2 hours ago, unsall said:

With Mowbrays record since he’s been at Rovers you don’t half come out with some rubbish, obviously you’ve made your mind up on a handful of cameo appearances, why are you saying it’s pointless to debate with Chaddy, because he’s different views from you, you do know it might be you that’s wrong, along with your gang, you’ve watched Rovers a long time you say, doesn’t mean you’re right, need to respect other people’s more positive views, thought we could all have a shout on here, just seems to me that myself,Chaddy Parsons etc if fact anyone who supports what Mowbray,Waggot are doing to turn this brilliant club round just get shouted down.

What rubbish Unsall!

Amused to see you seem to think I have a gang as well!

It's simple - I'm Rovers through and through but, unlike others, do not swallow some of the guff, which IMV, emanates from Ewood at times.

Everyone on this MB has a right to express their opinion and opinions will differ - fully accept that.

As you raised it, my views on Brereton, Mowbray and Waggott.

So to Brereton: 

• If the lad is such a prospect why didn't a PL club take a chance, after all, a £7m deal would be 'chicken shit' to them.
• As far as I'm aware, we were the only Championship club in for him - at least at that price - so what does that tell you?
• Some on here have speculated it wasn't a Mowbray signing but a decision made by the owners.  If that's the case, neither Mowbray or Waggott are running the club as they should be allowed to.
• If Brereton is a Mowbray signing, we are over a third of the way through the season and the lad signed in one of the biggest Rovers' deals for years has yet to start a league game!  Presumably, Mowbray doesn't think he's good enough in which case, why sign him when clearly there are other areas of the team that need strengthening.  Not to mention Mowbray commented last week we are a striker short! 
• It is really any wonder there is some bemusement with this signing?

Mowbray:

• I accept the playing side is now in better shape than when Coyley left us.  Seems to be a strong spirit and sense of camaraderie.
• Mowbray should have kept us up.  IMV, his negative tactics cost us precious points - winning positions ended up as draws, games we were drawing ended up as losses
• Brought us back at first attempt.  Job well done - though he did almost certainly have Division One's biggest budget
• Signing are mixed.  Big success is obviously Dack.  IMV, too many Harts, Gladwins and Joe Averages
• Think tactically tries to be too clever.  IMV, too negative and suffers from square peg in round hole syndrome.
• IMV, a likeable chap who clearly loves the game but a 'steady Eddie' who I do not think has the spark or nous to take us back to the PL

Waggott:

• Been with us less than a year but, IMV, yet to make his mark
• Some contentious decisions - closing Darwen End to away supporters only, hiking ST prices and then saying in LT disappointed in attendances this season.  Can anyone tell me what Rovers' ticket pricing strategy is?

6 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

So you wasnt there. Thought so. But cant comment on his performance then. Shame really. 

Stop bring Duff into any debate. Pointless. Different players and quality. Pointless comparison. 

Did you need see his performance against Arsenal for Forest? Was part of the under 19's England squad that won their world Cup. You not seen that. 

Look at Mowbray comments post match about Brereton and the way he is learning and understanding the way Mowbray wants him to play. You will learn alot. 

 

It really is pointless trying to debate with you.

A shame you seem incapable of forming any opinions of your own.

Firstly, as I have said twice in previous posts, I was working.  Do you have difficulty in understanding?

Secondly, you just don't understand the Duff 'thing'.  Even as a raw 17 year old in either his first or second reserve game for Rovers, you could see within 10 minutes, after his first few touches, that Duff had something about him.  In a blue and white shirt, on several occasions I have seen him 'live', I have seen nothing from Brereton to suggest he is anything other than 'Joe Average'. 

I didn't see Brereton against Arsenal, however, I once did see John O'Mara net a brace for Brentford before Rovers signed him and he turned out to be, IMV, one of the biggest donkeys I've seen in a Rovers' shirt.

So Brereton was part of England U19's - how many games did he start and how many goals did he score?  Jason Lowe skippered either England U21s or U23s - enough said.

As far Mowbray's comments, what do you really expect him to say when he has committed Rovers to a £7m transfer deal plus £millions more in wages?  If Mowbray said the moon was made of green cheese I think you would be 'googling' to see if you could order some online! 

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

based on what you seen? Where you there yesterday? 

why keep comparing him to Duff. Duff is a rare talent. pointless comparison. 

 

 

 

Wasn't there yesterday as working.  That ok?

Comparing to Duff!?  You just don't get it do you! 

I am not comparing him with Duff, Mbappe, Sessegnon, Alex-Arnold, Ampadu at all. 

The first point, relative to Duff and indeed any footballer with any kind of talent, is that they almost certainly show something during the course of a game, even if they are having a poor game, to suggest they have something in their locker.  When I saw Duff, and I think it was either his first or second reserve game for Rovers, he was a raw 17 year old who we had just signed from a club in Ireland for, I think, a friendly game the following season.  There was therefore no great expectation but as I posted earlier, his very first few touches were enough for me to sit up and take notice and think there just might be a real talent there.  Contrast that with Brereton who has arrived in a £7million deal to great hopes and, not unreasonably, great expectation, and I have yet to see him do anything in a Rovers' shirt to suggest he is any better than a free transfer signing!

The second point, and the reference to the 'big names' mentioned, is that it doesn't matter how young you are.  If you have talent and are good enough then you are old enough.  I am sure there are 'lesser' names throughout the FL aged 19 or under and all making an impact at first team level.  Brereton is 19 and not deemed good enough to command a first team place in Rovers' team either as a 'wide striker' or as a 'central striker'.  IMV, it is simply absurd that Mowbray has sanctioned the signing of a 19 year for a huge deal (in current circumstances) for Rovers and he doesn't deem him good enough to start.  For that scale of money, the lad should be a 'game changer' who takes our team to a different performance level.

2 minutes ago, 47er said:

Certainly nothing thus far to suggest he's anywhere near that league. Tbf though players of Duff's class are pretty rare.

They are but the point I'm making is any player with talent shows something, Brereton has shown me nothing.  IMV, he just looks like a lad we've picked up on a free transfer hoping he'll develop into something useful - like when we signed Andy Needham on a free from Brum (not many will remember that one!).

1 hour ago, unsall said:

Well if you’ve done all that, how can you make an assessment on Brereton you’ve hardly seen him play, how you can say he’s a dud already is really a silly statement, I don’t know yet if he’ll turn out  a good ‘un or not, too early, as I’ve said many times  I believe Mowbray on this issue before you, mind you he’s a football manager and you’re an accountant, big difference. 

So you might think I talk nonsense, but the comments you come out with, I think it’s you who talks the nonsense, I am surprised you’ve watched Rovers through thick and thin and still come out with the comments you do, anyway looks like we both talk nonsense with very different views.

A player can be having a poor game but over the course of a match, if there's anything about him, he will usually do something that makes you think 'this lad might have a bit of something'.

None of us have seen Brereton as often as we would like in a blue and white shirt given the £7million deal but when I have seen him, I've felt underwhelmed and sat there scratching my head as I've seen nothing that suggests to me that we might have a 'proper player' on our hands.

I contrast that with Damien Duff who I first saw as a 17 year old in Rovers' reserves - his first few touches got me thinking we just might have a real talent here. 

Duff debuted as an 18 year old in the Premier League and was man of the match - fans left the ground purring. 

This was 20+ years ago, maybe you weren't even around then,  but the point I'm trying to make is that if a lad has real talent it makes you sit up and take notice just as Duff did as a 17 year old in that reserve match.  Sadly, Brereton draws a blank with me.