Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[Tomphil2]

11 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yes but Gestede and Owen dictate to the recruitment team what markets to be looking in.

It won't have been the scouts who came up with the idea of targetting cheap players from relegated teams from leagues below championship standard.

Mafoumbi or however you spell it came in due to a contact of Gestedes.

I'm not a big fan of Waggott but if it had been his choice then I don't believe Ismael would have been appointed.I also believe if Waggott had still been here and had some power we wouldn't have just been signing cheap gambles, more domestic experience would have been brought in.

Not a Waggot fan either but i'd be more comfortable with him running it on his own rather than Suhail and Gestede.

We wouldn't go anywhere but i think we'd have a better chance of staying in this league with peanuts for a budget.

These lot have put the pursuit of buy cheap, play, then sell as number 1  priority when instead it should always be look at top ten bare minimum standard.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Not a Waggot fan either but i'd be more comfortable with him running it on his own rather than Suhail and Gestede.

We wouldn't go anywhere but i think we'd have a better chance of staying in this league with peanuts for a budget.

These lot have put the pursuit of buy cheap, play, then sell as number 1  priority when instead it should always be look at top ten bare minimum standard.

It would have been interesting to see Waggott would have appoint if it was sole responsible to do so

[DE.]

29 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Mowbray was the perfect manager for Venkys. Not for Blackburn Rovers, but for Venkys. He was willing to work with their bonkers ways, traipse off to India and tell them how wonderful they are, handle more than a modern day manager should be handling, all the media, contracts, scouting, fans, even going as far as to appoint his assistant as director of football and Waggott as CEO to provide additional support.

In return they got seemingly everything they've ever wanted in a manager - someone they trust who they could leave to get on with it, keep the fans quiet/content, perhaps most importantly plod for a few years whilst developing serious assets that would make a hefty profit in the transfer window and allow them to recoup cash from sales.

I don't think we would ever have got promoted under him as he just isn't the sort of manager to go out and deliver that. But for a disgraceful operation like these owners want to preside over he was an ideal custodian for them to just sit there and do nothing and leave it to him.

For reasons unknown they decided to cut him off. Whether that was them losing faith or middle men getting a hand on the controls again after a few years out of the limelight we will never know. My own suspicion is that dogsbody Pasha was annoyed at Mowbray usurping him in the chain of command as he did after relegation to League One and therefore set about ensuring Mowbray's access to the top table in Pune was severed. Ever since then it has been a gradual return back to the sort of skeletal joke of a structure that was in place from 2015-2017 when they removed good people from office (Bowyer, Myers, Biggar) and either didn't replace them or replaced them with dross.

The parallels between then and now are startling. Whilst Ismael is undoubtedly a better manager than Coyle ever was he is working with a smaller and probably inferior squad. Either way the end / outcome of this is going to be the same. 

Last time around it took relegation being sealed for the idiots in India to summon people out there for a meeting, so I suspect the same this time around - they'll only even become aware of a change in league status after it happens. Unfortunately they've got even less interest and willingness to invest this time around so I'm not confident that anything will happen other than another radical round of cost cuts. Rudy will probably be the one sacrificed at that point.

Yep, Waggott/Mowbray was the Venky dream ticket - and the latter would certainly have stayed if offered an extension. One can only wonder if Suhail has been asked by his bosses at any point "why did we let that Mowbray fella leave again?" 

I'd guess not, as that would also assume the owners have any remote personal interest in the club, and there seems to be zero evidence that this is the case. 

[Tomphil2]

25 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

It would have been interesting to see Waggott would have appoint if it was sole responsible to do so

Somebody British with some championship fire fighting experience would be my guess.

Of course it would still need to be someone out of work and cheap and agreeable to the restrictions in budget.

Edited 3 hours ago by Tomphil2

[roversfan99]

53 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Your posts suggested that players signed here is all down to Gestede when actually there is alot more to it than that. 

Wrong. Clubs have structures in play and a way they want to play or policies about signings, so you appoint a head coach that's fit into that structure, the squad he have to play. Look at the Forest situation this season as Prime example 

I think from what Ismael, JDT and Mowbray plus GB that you are picking a shortlist of 3 to 5 players that the scouting staff that fit the type of player you what from that position

Ismael has spoken alot about profiles of players from each position he wanted a signing him and what qualities he wanted. Like the Morishita or Baradji signing 

I think a Director of Football/head coach structure is the right way to run the footballing side and build the club on that structure. 

on Gestede, Nothing against him but I think we need an experience DoF who has vast range of experience and knowledge of the European/World market in we are going to follow this path. 

That's fine 

Can you tell me why it is beneficial to have anyone beside the manager deciding on the tactics, the style and the players to use? 

Forest this season is a good example of the point I am making. Theyve signed loads of players that none of the managers have wanted to use, which suggests that theyve been selected above the manager. They are doing significantly worse and keep changing manager and style. 

A director of football can be useful but they have far too much power now. They shouldnt be telling the manager which style to play, how many youngsters to use, or even at times decide on signings. Im yet to see you explain why it makes sense, you just say that I dont understand if I dont agree.

All of the drawbacks and risk of such a structure are obvious here. And look at us.

Also, feel free to have something against Gestede. Not only incompetent and overseeing our squad being saddled with shit, but also comes across as smarmy and arroganr.

Edited 3 hours ago by roversfan99

[London blue]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Wrong. Clubs have structures in play and a way they want to play or policies about signings, so you appoint a head coach that's fit into that structure, the squad he have to play. Look at the Forest situation this season as Prime example

You have claimed he is wrong then rehashed EXACTLY his point to disprove him.