Dack won't be going anywhere until next summer, 99% sure on that one. When he does leave it will be a for a damn sight more than 10 million measly quid.

Was thinking the same but I can't see West Brom taking such a hit on his transfer fee and I think will be in their long term plans.

I think we've been especially unlucky in specially one area of the pitch, can't remember us having so many attacking players out at once, it wouldn't be so bad of Graham could do 90 but seeing as he can't just highlights it a little more. I do think we lack a little depth perhaps but certainly not lacking in quality.

Looking at their boards I can't believe the arrogance... Who do that lot think they are? "Should be beating sides like Blackburn"... No one has any right to beat anyone and a few of them saying they should be aiming for automatic promotion... ?? Very dangerous thinking that way in this league, you should look to take every game as it comes, teams who get out of this league do exactly that. I've seen many a team be tipped for promotion who've then struggled to stay up, if that lot start believing their own hype then they'll find themselves in a lot of trouble. Brentford are a small club who play decent football but who couldn't beat us even without Dack and Armstrong, they're better off keeping their head down and going under the radar like previous years. Just because they pass the ball around a bit doesn't make them the Barcelona of championship football, you need to win games a number of ways in this league or you'll be one dimensional and get figured out. We've played some top class passing football at times this season but to see us win in other ways is just as pleasing. Oh and Dean Smith the salty prick. Does he not realise how pathetic it looks blaming a football pitch because you didn't get a result? Jog on silly bollocks. They carry on with this entitled attitude they will struggle in this league, never mind get promoted. Today has definitely made my mind up about going to Griffin Park, looking forward to turning them over on their apparent bowling green of a pitch with a full strength side.

Come on mate, we have quality just been unlucky with injuries. Once Brereton comes in we have Arma, Graham and Brereton all to pick from which are all capable. About your post about it not being a good window. Considering Palmer scored today and has looked good, Rothwell looking like our best player, pulling Newcastle's pants down for Armstrong, Davenport still to come through... I'd say that's a pretty decent window. That's not accounting for Brereton and Reed who still might come in and Rodwell who could go either way. Chin up.

The way he draws players in and glides past em I could watch all day. Based on what I've seen so far he can be as good as he wants. Already looks more than comfortable in this league. Technically outstanding.

Thanks for your efforts Perth... This in blue and white halves could be a winner! Also going to try and design something this weekend too. I'll share it here if I get roubd to it.

Cracking flag that, one that stuck in my mind when I had this idea. We should celebrate our success more. Perhaps one with 'BRFC', each cup we've won underneath with a star representing how many times. Could be nice...

Some good ideas... One thing I'm pretty sure of is that it should be blue and white halves.

If I could fit that on a flag I would! "heaven knows it's got to be this time" could describe the feeling of our fans regarding managers and the 'owners' these past 8 years.

I think this is being treated as a direct CB option and if he shows he has more to his game then its a bonus...

Right then... Planning on getting a 6ftx4ft custom flag made up and looking for some ideas. I don't want anything too busy, something bold and simple. Seen a few flags with 'New Order' on them, a band that I really like... Can anybody tell me the connection there? If there is one that is... Either way, the name of the band suits the current situation under Mowbray and its something the fans could undertake as a new feeling of togetherness. Don't worry, I still have my 'Venkys Out' flag folded away in case they decide to @#/? things up again but for the time being its nice to make a different type of banner and focus on the football for once! All ideas welcome.

This bit cracked me up... “It feels brilliant to sign here. I’ve obviously had a bit of time off"... Aye mate... It's been 6 years!!! ?

OK so I'm going to try and stay optimistic... (I can almost hear the Mackems laughing) If Rodwell has been brought in as cover for CB then it could turn out OK. Given the length and possible terms of his contract it's possible he could be out the door before he can blink if he messes around. Also, if he tries to act the big one around this group of players, he'll get put in his place. Best case scenario, he comes in, gets his head down, learns from Mulgrew, does the simple things well and becomes a decent option for us. Considering his age, the fact that he's 6.2, can use both feet and is decent in the air... As a CB option he could turn out alright. If people think we're going to get Rodwell of Everton then I'd recommend adjusting your expectations, years have passed and much water under the bridge since then. Best to lower your expectations to hoping he'll be good CB cover and if he turns out to be better than that then happy days. After all, he has no option other than to give everything he has in these next 9 months to earn a place and a better deal or its pretty much career over. We hold all the cards on this one... So prove us wrong Jack!

By sounds of it, he is CB cover.

Typically after a new signing announced you want to believe they're going to be a good signing but that review from the Mackem is sobering to say the least. I hope this one doesn't do more damage than good. This one is all on Mowbray now, I know he can pass it off as "cheap" punt but it's down to him to show off his man management skills and get something back in return. Uneasy about this one but hopefully the mood here, the manager will inspire him. Good luck to him. Good luck to Sunderland. Good fans, deserve better.

Perhaps that's because neither side really knows what sort of valuation to put on him? We could agree to a fee but then decide he's worth less than we originally agreed to, so then it's worth bringing him in and seeing whats what first. We're stocked in midfield, think where the option to buy clauses really need to be is in the attacking players because they tend to command more of a premium.

I'm lost... Is "baller" the definition of someone who chases a ball around but doesn't know what it's for? Be an ideal name for a dog.

I think it's a horses for courses one with him. He might not be the answer to TM's long term vision of how he wants us to play but I think there will be games or moments within games where we'll be saying "could have done with a Smallwood type in there".

I'm not saying he should play every week for him to find his feet, we can't afford to carry players in this league. What I am saying is he should be allowed the opportunity to take his chances to make an impression and earn his place rather than just write him off after 4 games.

Not a direct dig at you but more a comment about the message board opinions in general. I think some of the comments on Smallwood have been very unfair... Alright, he is a limited player but for the most part last season he was a good player for us. When he last played at this level it was for a team with less quality than we have, more is expected of him this time, let's afford him some time to grow into this league before we just write him off, he surely earned enough respect from us to afford him that. I've seen Smallwood make more tackles in one game than I have in all of Jason Lowe's time here, there will be games or times within a game where we will need players like him. Lad has a great attitude, I just feel he's suffering because Evans is very similar, if he was playing along side more of a ball player like Cairney where he could win it and give it you'd probably see the best of him. Let me be clear, I'm all for giving criticism and praise where its due, if he plays poorly and he gets criticised then people are just saying what they're seeing, that's fair enough. What I don't want to see is him be the scapegoat, let him try and find his feet first and if he hasn't been good enough come January or next summer then at least he's had a fair crack and we move on.

Already has against Ipswich... Does need a another. Agreed on the 2nd one.

Top class this lad. Kept speaking about him all the way home from Hull and he only played about 20 mins there! You can definitely see why United wanted to keep him. A very modern centre midfielder, based on that performance he seems to have everything. His touch and technique when striking the ball is top class. Certainly not out of place in this league. Tony must be chuffed to its at pulling that signing off... Just shows that massive fee's don't always guarantee quality.

TM said we're not interested after game didn't he?

JOE ROTHWELL... CLASS. Impressed me at the weekend but tonight, wow, played everywhere in midfield, as I said after Hull... We've got ourselves a gem there. When we got relegated against Brentford, Ryan Nyambe was the best player on the pitch, I saw enough from that performance to know he could be a great player for us. Class against Hull and class tonight again, got forward better than Bell, such a strong lad. I've given Evans stick recently, apart from one frustrating ball at the end, he was outstanding tonight. I never fancied us for a win tonight, one of those that you're almost certain of but given our chances and how we fought back, I think we probably deserved to win it. Although Brentford are a tougher side, I somehow think it might suit us a bit better. This group of players really do have a lot of spirit, thanks to super TM. Tony Mowbrays barmy army!