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3 minutes ago, OnionBalaji said:
Thank you Glen and co who attended
looking forward to the minutes
@glen9mullan were the answers given sensible? Is there any room for optimism?
Importantly Suhail was there,
Let's see the minutes and take it from there.
Not ideal as I dont operate this way, but important to respect the FF code of practice
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12 minutes ago, OnionBalaji said:What’s next with the protest and coalition action?
I attended FF tonight with a number of coalition members,
The minutes need to come out which will be respected regarding content,
However the FF meeting occurring does not halt the supporters movement in terms of the coalition.
Will digest overnight today's meeting, but they are rattled and rightfully so should be.
We dont let up, and continue moving forwards.
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Many of the points here raised in a 3 hour FF,
Will respect the rules regarding the minutes coming out, but I can confidently say, points were put across, redirected if answer not forthcoming and pushed again until an answer of some kind was given.
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17 hours ago, Forever Blue said:Now that @Miller11 and @glen9mullan are co-chairs of WATR, what is the plan going forward?
Is it back to trying to engage with the club/owners?
Is it ‘Venky’s Out’ or is it just ‘Pasha Out’ ???
We had our first post AGM meeting last Sunday, which was pretty much electing chair and a welcome to the new board members.
I'm under no illusion, we've a mammoth task on here.
I'm attending the FF for first time Monday as an Action group representative, and Duncan will be there on behalf of WATR.
As a member of the Coalition for the AG. This week I was engaged with the local MP who shared the agenda for the items to go to vote in Parliament for the independent regulator. This is comms the coalition have been having regularly over the last 6 weeks. With my new role within WATR, I also engaged with @oldjamfan1on these motions who has been working with the FSF regarding input into this bill.
In terms of the direction of the WATR, Duncan and I did catch this week following the first meeting and determining the roles and responsibilities of our fellow board members is high on the agenda as we look to implement a clear strategy internally to allow us all to be the best version of ourselves, whilst everyone involved brings their unique skill sets to create a credible entity which focuses on delivering on its members driven mandate, which is being reviewed and will require member consultation.
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1 hour ago, BlackburnEnd75 said:
I would like to know this also.
Please could someone explain in more detail how suhail has been here from the start. It needs clarifying.
I'm aware of 3 enquiries , one American, one Austrian and one Brazilian.
All 3 approaches were sent to India and the response was.
"Stop sending these approaches, we are not selling the club"
To add some further info, 2 went on to buy other clubs but have been as bad if not worse than Venkys.
I can't share who these bidders were due to breaking a significant confidence.
These may be different to the ones the trust refer to, but these are 100% factual
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39 minutes ago, Brfcrule1 said:
Glen while I appreciate all you're doing but I feel it's something that needs to be addressed having read the first statement from the coalition it was gramatically poor the points made were very good however in some places it didn't make sense I know how it is for some people myself included it's very difficult & so I understand how difficult it can be I do think before putting out large statements someone should proof read it before it goes out however I completely agreed with all the points made
The statements went across 27 different sets of eyes, and were reviewed by each of them too.
They were then reviewed by two journalist before finally being released.
The media has ran with every statement issued word for word.
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Just now, lraC said:I know the coalition has succeeded in driving Waggott out and are now gunning for the other two.
I don't know if it is common knowledge yet, or even significant, but the house in at area where Pasha lives, appears to have been vacated.
Yes we are aware 😉
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Just a recap
Two and a half months ago we had No Coalition. We had Jack a brfcs poster reaching out and hitting a brick wall to try and get something moving. His passion and drive was something I felt I could get involved with and many others felt the same and also joined to form a powerful voice.
Fast forward to present day.
Every supporter group bar one and we are trying to get this one is part of the Coalition.
Our first action was applying pressure on Suhail, Waggott and Gestede with the total vote of no confidence.
This lead to the three coming out into the open and one has now gone.
The pressure on the other two will remain.
The global press our now covering our story and desire for the removal of the Raos and their band of merry men.
Our story is going back into parliament and we've now got the MPs backing the Coalition.
We've so much going on across a near 30 person panel it's quite extraordinary in such a short space of time.
Things evolve by the minute and it's hard graft, extremely hard graft as our family time and in some cases taking days of work is being totally used up to force a better future.
We are still in our infancy and many things need to be agreed, formulated and developed.
We have no funds , just hard grafting people trying to make a positive difference for something we commonly share, our club.
Given the democratic make up (we don't need politics) we have to balance everything and get a majority buy in on all things.
No one person leads the coalition, it's a collective group of people.
Anybody can get involved and shape it's future.
There really is no blue print for the journey we are on.
Other clubs supporters actually use previous Rovers supporter actions for their blueprints.
I think we've come a long way in a short space of time, but have a long way to go. Its going to have it's bumps on the way, as we are all human.
We are all just football supporters equal to the next and don't have all the answers.
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16 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:
So fundamentally the Coalition is not standing on a platform of wanting new owners?
WATR got a lot of stick re sticking to their long held stance of wanting communication and engagement with them, for wanting change at board level, but necessarily ownership.
But reading Glen’s post that is also the preferred outcome of the Coalition?
That's not what I've said,
I said my personal thoughts (we all have different) is we need to remove things systematically.
Toppling the king becomes easier by toppling the pawns.
We have to be realistic of what we can or cannot influence.
Piece by piece, is in my opinion the correct approach. Unless someone can come up with a viable plan how we remove the owners first?
I don't believe a single person in the coalition wants the Raos to own this club, me included.
That's our opinion,
Removing them is an almighty challenge which requires deeper thoughts and a strategy that reaches the finish line with the desired outcome and hopefully better owners.
On your edited part "enough is enough" is exactly where we are.
We do not believe communication is worth a dime,
However we want to maintain the moral high ground of being amenable. (We knew the club would avoid all communication, we banked on it) it's now one less bullet for them to crucify the supporters in their rebuttals.
Playing the game is exactly where we want to be, completely in control of our path without giving freebies to the club to beat us
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14 minutes ago, funny-old-game said:
Do you get any feeling or feedback fom Venkys that they want to implement positive changes?
No, they've gone underground too,
I know they are reading comms, but gone silent
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55 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:
Masher has made the effort to read the Parliamentary notes explaining the new legislation and understands that when it is enacted the club will have statutory obligations regarding fan engagement which they will have to fulfil whether they want to or not.
We fully understand the legislation, have members who have been part of building the structure for the said legislation.
Everything we do, we review the legal side and are extremely thorough and strategic to mitigate against the balls falling on the wrong side of the net.
The Coalition is made up of a lot of people, differing opinions/skill sets and does not stifle or prevent the group's involved carrying out their own objectives or remits. Individual group activities have not ceased or paused by being part of a collective panel.
Respecting each groups objectives and opinions has been paramount and remains top of the agenda in terms of how the Coalition operates.
Selling the club would be one outcome many desire.
However from a personal point of view stability, strong competent leadership at Board Level and the removal of those whose do the club harm is at the forefront of my mind.
We may get new owners and a continued circus entrusted with running the club.
We need to shut the circus down, and seek a hierarchy that functions with integrity , whilst are accountable for their actions.
If our current owners cannot implement the positive changes required for the club to rebuild then ultimately they need to go.
I'm a firm believer that we should never shut a door completely, but by the same sentiment, never be afraid to open a new one.
We need to eat the elephant piece by piece.
In terms of new owners one objective of the Coalition (baring in mind resource levels), is to make Rovers a credible purchase, developing what can be achieved, how and utilising data and market research to increase the attractiveness to potential buyers/investors.
As I've tried to maintain throughout in my posts, I'm trying to be as transparent as I can without literally handing on a plate to the club what our current activities are.
The club continues to ignore individual supporter group/ supporter emails, with them going unanswered regarding SLT engagement.
Whilst their generic response to the Coalition, was they'll speak to the Fans Forum in July.
The Coalition website is due to go live which has been worked on by a working group within the team and hopefully it can be another vehicle to communicate what's being done by all the volunteers involved.
I note your points about the supporter engagement with the club, it's 100% been getting discussed weekly by the panel, at the moment the club has put a brick wall up.
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11 hours ago, Browjd said:All very quiet, any updates at all?
Open supporters meeting on the agenda (possibly July) and MPs to bring things up in Parliament once again.
Tim Farron and Adnan Hussein already had a couple of meetings, are on same page and very much supporting the coalition and seeking answers.
Possible documentary on the agenda (can't say too much more on this).
Press efforts continue to share wide and far.
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8 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:
What are you contacting those bodies about ?
A number of things,
For obvious reasons this won't be put on a message board until we've had our responses
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8 hours ago, glen9mullan said:Nothing major,
A lot of effort going into global press,
They want some back up to claims, having reached out to club for comment who are denying a number of things we know to be true. (Though that being said the person replying is that far down food chain, it's comical)
Expecting some articles to go to press imminently.
Complete silence from club as they continue to avoid engaging, with it appearing they want to fob groups off in Lindsay Talbots direction and mask communication tick box through FF.
If the FF boycott then they will be in breach of EFL Rules though we are looking into those engagement breaches already as we don't believe they are compliant with the charter.
The final group not in the Coalition has been reached out to, to make it a full suite.
Noticed the Yasir interview yesterday claiming the 150 celebrations were inclusive and open to all, despite no one being invited bar a member of the 100 club and WATR (2 reps) . Making it a total of 3 reps on the panel.
With Waggott now gone, the feeling from our club sources is funding and ideas will be cut significantly, despite things having been previously agreed in principle with the exiting CEO
Just an update, Coalition have received a response, and as predicted from Lindsay Talbot who has been appointed as point of contact for all supporter queries.
To cut a long story short they are stating they will meet the fans forum in July to settle differences, despite 80% of the coalition panels groups not members of the Fans forum.
They are avoiding at this stage engagement, backtracking on the CEO and their public statements.
Of course this is as predicted, and it plays into the coalitions hands in terms of media traction.
I've now emailed the club on behalf of the Action Group Members also now separately. Part of the group's constitution is to remain democratic and for transparency in meetings with the club. Including none edited minutes. I'm also going to contact the FSF and ESA. Along with the EFL in my capacity of AG. Though it's also likely the coalition may do so also. It's currently being discussed.
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4 hours ago, lraC said:
Absolutely.
Perhaps the the coalition can go to the press with it and make it abundantly clear that we are doing this on our own, with no club involvement, purely down to the clubs pathetic attempt at it so far.
We have emailed the club requesting an update on 150, so will wait for their response on this matter, especially as some supporters have put a lot of time and effort in over the last year trying to mark the 150 and their efforts and dedication needs to be applauded.
Once a response is obtained then as always everyone in the coalition will have an opportunity to formulate what comes next democratically.
I note all these ideas down as its these suggestions which do prompt options for all to discuss and they are very much appreciated.
@K-Hodcould you check your whatsapp invites please, as ideally it be better if you keep people updated,
It allows me to post things not coalition related 😀
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15 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:Any updates @glen9mullan bigger coalition, more power.
Nothing major,
A lot of effort going into global press,
They want some back up to claims, having reached out to club for comment who are denying a number of things we know to be true. (Though that being said the person replying is that far down food chain, it's comical)
Expecting some articles to go to press imminently.
Complete silence from club as they continue to avoid engaging, with it appearing they want to fob groups off in Lindsay Talbots direction and mask communication tick box through FF.
If the FF boycott then they will be in breach of EFL Rules though we are looking into those engagement breaches already as we don't believe they are compliant with the charter.
The final group not in the Coalition has been reached out to, to make it a full suite.
Noticed the Yasir interview yesterday claiming the 150 celebrations were inclusive and open to all, despite no one being invited bar a member of the 100 club and WATR (2 reps) . Making it a total of 3 reps on the panel.
With Waggott now gone, the feeling from our club sources is funding and ideas will be cut significantly, despite things having been previously agreed in principle with the exiting CEO
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7 minutes ago, davulsukur said:Surely that trust is now gone, if his TV stunt has now been exposed to the owners?
Oh this hoodwink stunt had my fingers doing overtime last night, straight to pune HQ
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Interesting from tonight's "Coalition" X space.
We had one caller who was brought in by what was alleged the owners to provide a different broadcasting option after they'd claimed they felt the fan pressure was getting too much air time on Sky, whilst they were challenging sky's one sided approach by showing protest during live games etc.
The caller now believes this was Suhail who wanted to send alternate pictures back to India than the ones being beemed by Sky , and he was under strict instruction to film no banners or audio of unrest!!!!l
Absolutely incredible, as in essence wanted to paint a false picture back to the Raos
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3 hours ago, funny-old-game said:
Is the pressure from the coalition, Venkys or both?
Ultimately been no unrest in years , certainly not public ,
When the poop hits the fan the axe falls
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3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:Do you think Suhail is under any serious pressure with his Lords and Masters or is his position secure?
Under extreme pressure, and the clocks ticking, we need to keep the pressure up as he is literally down to last finger
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If we recall during one of my updates, I pointed out there was showdown meeting imminent with the Rao's, Suhail and Waggott,
They were flabbergasted they'd hit the global news once more,
Suhail stated it was all Waggott's fault, he'd been the one engaging with supporters and must of gone rouge creating the uprising.
I was reliably informed that one or both would be removed following the conclusion/Aftermath of the said meeting.
Waggott himself stated to me in person he had no intention of resigning and would do one more year, despite his wife wanting him to walk away.
The woman's team he told he must not allow the Rao's/Venkys appear in the statement and in essence take the public fall.
Throughout the last couple of months every media outlet article has been personally sent via whatsapp to the owners, all has been read, and i'm fully expecting this to be just the start, though more pushing is needed.
I stated to Waggott before the uprising that once we start we wont stop until each piece is removed, as we've done previously.
He freely admitted he did not expect us to get the traction we did and had underestimated us somewhat through bad intel.
Waggott going first, is a blow in my opinion as Suhail is the main target, though Waggott needed to go to. We move on, we continue to push, its only a battle won and certainly not the war.
The Coalition are putting in a lot of hours, its a 7 day a week job with internal comms around 20 hours a day.
My main concern now, is what comes next in terms of replacement, whilst the internal comms between club and fans has just got a whole lot harder as the others within refuse to talk.
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There's certainly some mixed views around the net on the woman's team.
Some are very much ,I don't watch them, they lose money and no ones interested in womens football.
Some are just very 1950
Others see this as another piece of the foundations being destroyed and are fearful if its the women's team today then what is it tomorrow, next week , next year etc.
My own stance is, when I joined the coalition I did so as our club is heading completely in the wrong direction and the lack of accountability is astounding.
I can watch and accept this or I can try and be part of something to try and push for positive change.
There will be many subjects, issues which I and everyone else will have stronger or weaker opinions on, but I made the choice to be part of unified approach.
The women's team has touched the panel at all different trigger points, however to say nothing is accepting what will be will be. I fully support the coalitions panel in their actions this week in talking to staff and players who this has affected and publicly condemning the unprofessional way this has been handled by the club.
When representing the AG in meetings, many times I've put across points strongly to the club which may not mirror my own thoughts, however when I chose to form the AG I gave up my own personal views to act in the best interest of the membership at all times.
I appreciate the Woman's team in isolation doesn't strike a chord with all, but I try and always look at things holistically and the symbol a decision like this has on future behaviours, actions by those at the club and the owners.
The club is doing a fantastic job of writing their own bad press and in this instance they've impacted many lives and dreams with zero empathy or regard.
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Fans Forum/Roverstore/Commercial Chat
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Lol, I got home 21.40, though did speak after the forum to a couple of people, so in theory I was there for over 3 hours