16 minutes ago, Mike Graham said:

There has been very little criticism on Twitter apart from someone saying this is old news and they could not understand why it was released now.  It was not released because I am a lackey of the Club (I can assure you I am not) and it was not given to me to leak to deflect attention from the mess on the playing side.  It is purely factual information.

The ‘news’ is available openly and publicly, perhaps no one had spotted it.  The HMRC letter was dated April 2023 and the Court case was July 2023; this must have been a nightmare of a time for those at Ewood trying to balance the books.

I will explain the reason I put this out.  Firstly I believe the fan base should have a better knowledge of the Club’s financial predicament; if it was something told to me in confidence it would not have been released, as I said above it is in a public document.

Secondly the owners, whether fans like it or not, took the applications to the High Court at no doubt great expense.  They secured payments to Rovers and the HMRC, VAT, staff etc have all been paid.  Whether fans like it or not credit should be given to the owners for this.

The role of the Trust is to try and engage as a critical friend with the owners and their representatives whether they be the Venky’s, the Walker family or the Nolan sisters.  We will continue to try our very best to influence on behalf of our members.

We do not have secret meetings with the Club; if I or other Board members meet with the Club then the whole Trust Board are aware. Clearly we may receive confidential information from time to time - this will never be divulged by any Trust Board member.

 

You have a lot of meetings , where can we access the minutes to each meeting please?

What is the next steps in reaction to the document from the Trust?

What is the next steps in general?

12 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

The AG still has a large membership? I take it this is a dormant list as correct me if I’m wrong they’ve had no profile at all for a good while. Not a criticism, everything has quietened down since about 2017 - but it’s a big ask to suddenly expect hundreds (four figures?) of foot soldiers to suddenly re-appear on the scene.

I talk to Mark regularly,  they are still active and have already warned waggott that it's not a case of if, but more of when protest returns.

The appetite over the last few years of many aint been there. It don't mean they cease activities. 

I've been chairman of the Action Group and also the Secretary of the Rovers Trust,  the membership bases are somewhat different in terms of numbers .

I continue to support both entities and the EWMC and anyone really that will aid removing these shysters

I did say a while ago, people had gone underground and are working away on things , including applying pressure in India to get the truth from investigators there.

The thousands that won't go , remain the largest voice 

8 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

What’s the EWMC group?

I’m assuming it’s not the working men’s club but maybe it is 😁

Yes it's a group of passionate supporters formed from a meeting called by the Action Group years ago. They meet regurlar , are passionate and have long called for the removal of Venkys.

I will speak to the Chair of the action group who are still active and hold the biggest membership base of none Internet groups,  I will also speak to the EWMC to see if they have the appetite to call a long overdue public meeting.

It's a start, but they will need people's support 

2 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

You won’t know unless you try 😁

All those years ago it was from my kitchen table, long before there was a group formed.

Anyone can pick this up,  if a group won't, others will follow and support that person 

5 minutes ago, ABBEY said:

no chance of the venkygraph getting on board , what was his name the bristol city journo ? he headlined kean out and was swiftly moved on. BBC aint much better , talkshite jim white gave it large and was immedietly silenced .

wits end me pal but revved and ready

The call for people to take a stand needs to happen, 

There is two vehicles.

The Rovers trust or the EWMC group,

One needs to do this,  both be great but one is a start 

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

No you are right they would be. Try a mere ‘Venky’s out!’ chant and see what reaction you’d get, never mind a tennis ball lobbed on the pitch.

But let’s see what happens on Saturday - will the tide have turned on the back of this becoming public domain? You’d hope so, but I sincerely doubt it.

This is what we've faced for 10 years ,

You think everyone will wake up, but find you remain in the minority as the majority have walked away.

The pressure don't exist

4 minutes ago, BigUts said:

I'm genuinely not sure. I saw a poll before this came to late somebody had done on Facebook asking who wanted the Raos out and who wanted them to stay and it was pretty evenly split.

I personally worry that there isn't enough ground swell of support for anything serious to happen (ie protests, tennis balls etc) so those that do participate get turned upon...but I could be wrong.

Thus is the problem, 

Hence my calls for pressure to be applied in an official capacity by using the media as the vehicle, stating factual reasoning that can stick and is credible.

The numbers are smaller now than they were before , so all means need to be used to spread the facts 

5 minutes ago, BigUts said:

Whether they were served or warned of being served due to late payment then it is a big issue. If the club is at any point having threats due to not paying their bills on time, that to me is a huge issue...but equally and sadly almost a welcome one as it HOPEFULLY means the end is nigh for the Raos.

Totally agree its a big issue, it was a big issue 9 months ago too,

What are we doing about it?

Anyone who campaigns for the lot to go, I'm a 100% behind , always have been , always will be

5 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I’m a member of the Trust, I’ll await their response. @Mike Graham 

Not sure a press release from the ‘desk of Mattyblue’ will quite get the same traction.

To date I've not seen press release put out for the removal of Venkys in 8 years , or the board or the manager or anyone.

I know I've previously issued lots of them,

To gather traction, it has to go through the media. Its the only way you can put pressure on this lot, bar not turning up.

Just now, Mattyblue said:

‘Lose credibility as a fanbase’. Lose credibility with who? The whole fanbase will lose credibility, will they? Nonsense. It’s a story, it will get reported as football finances always do, Kieran Maguire has made a nice side hustle out out of it.

Was it ‘settled’, yes? But is the club heading back to an Indian court in order to once again merely meet its basic financial obligations - I.e the bills. Also yes. So it is obviously an important development.

Of course it’s a story and the fans quite rightly should be aware.

Well I will await the Trust or You to wage war then, get a press release out and actually put some minutes out so we can all see what is asked,  what's going to be asked and what the answers are.

5 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Surely wouldn't the clowns go with the circus?

To get at the circus , you have to fight what's in front at you.

What pressure is being put on Ewood, I've seen none

8 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Sounds like you are annoyed that he has released something you were happy to sit on - keep the mushrooms in the dark, ay? All power to Mike and the Trust I say.

How do we, the fans, remove the clowns at Ewood then? They are doing the job the owners want them to do. Cut costs, head down and crack on. They’ll go when either the owners choose to appoint someone else, they retire or they’ll be booted out the door with the owners themselves.

This isn’t going to ‘deflect’ anything, the fans already know that something is going on, a look at the events of this season tells them that, court cases in India for approval to merely pay the bills tells them that - this just confirms it, ‘history’ or not.

Will spell it out one last time,

The club has NOT at anytime been issued with a winding up notice,  I'm really struggling to see hysteria for something that never happened. They paid a tax bill late, 9 months ago.

The cash flow and bills not being paid was put on here 9 months ago by me, discussed argued , denied by the club in 2 interviews by the CEO and its social media plants.

You would think all fans are happily informed,  but history tells us they are not. The wave at Ewood is as low in percentage terms as it was during the protest era.

You are barking up the wrong tree,  I want them all gone and have spent years trying , some have fallen bar that main chess piece, which is the owners.

I'm not defending anything not even 0.0000001 % 

However to wage war, it has to be factual.

For example if I spoke to the media today and asked them to report we have had a winding up notice 9 months ago, we would lose credibility as a fan base , as this is just not true.

Lots speak to the club and have access to portals which documents like this one drop in, and some in an official capacity.

Let's wait for them to explain how they did not know about it 

15 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

Are you suggesting that the trust chair is a club stooge Glen?

Because that’s what this looks like to me.

He isn’t by the way.

Merely pointing out it was not put in here ,

Whilst also stating that everytime the pressure is mounting on things at Ewood a deflection appears.

The venkys need to go 100% as lots have campaigned for, for years. However so does the clowns at Ewood and this cannot be lost or diluted 

13 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

I know, as I was saying that’s what was posted tonight to get the thread moving. News of winding up orders, be they threatened or otherwise have not surfaced until about an hour ago.

Think the reaction in this thread makes that clear.

It's interesting this was posted on twitter by the Trust chairman,  but not in here dont you think?

A deflection from what's a shambles on our doorstep too. 

Every time the heat arrives on results or Ewood,  by some miracle a deflection appears.

3 minutes ago, JHRover said:

This will be in the Telegraph within the next few days. Local reporting these days basically consists of regurgitating whatever the Club tells them or keeping an eye on places such as this and Twitter and then when someone finds something they take it from there by asking Waggott or the office junior what it means. 

Of course if there was proper journalism taking place the Indian issues would have been front and centre of coverage for months now, a major issue that could potentially be the end of the Club if things go the wrong way and yet not a whisper in the local media. Disgusting. 

Hence as per last week's Post I'm working with an investigative journalist in India to shed more light.

The truth is even Waggott don't know what's going on.

I asked him straight out, was anything else gonna come out which wasn't already out there , and he said No

2 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Yes i keep seeing people on here and elsewhere blaming Indian Tax law changes but the is NOT the sole reason for the mess.

They've been stopped from sending money because they are under investigation for something rather serious i'e misuse of funds intended for the football club !!!

Infuriating that most don't know or want to know the true facts and always look for an excuse not to blame the owners.

This

5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

IMO, it stinks.

Either our local media are asleep at the wheel, which wouldn't be a surprise, or they have been asked not to report on this issue for obvious reasons.  Also, surprised at Glen's comments tonight as he would usually be banging the drum on an issue like this - I cannot recall a single posting on this MB on this issue since April last year.

Year end accounts (to 30 June 2023) for The Blackburn Rovers Football and Athletic Limited are due to be filed by 31 March 2024 - think the Auditors' Report, in particular their conclusions to going concern, will make fascinating reading given this issue from April 2023 which has now come to light and all the other ongoing stuff with the Indian courts / authorities.

Local media take their stuff off social media. 

I banged this drum months ago and was told I wanted us to fail and I'm not happy I don't know what's going on, or something along those lines, as the party line from ITK and club was against this.

We were bringing loads of players in and in Greg we trust etc 

6 minutes ago, wilsdenrover said:

Are you hoping the judge says no in a couple of weeks?

Well obviously not, 

4 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

A few talked about serious cash flow issues early summer, probably was Glen, Andy was another. Maybe Booth too.

But a winding up order has not been mentioned anywhere until tonight - ergo why this thread (and Twitter) has got rather busy.

The direct quote below from, court documents.

It clearly states the penalty if HMRC are not paid.

This is consistent with what i reported in the summer , and also the line of questioning I took up with Waggott last year .

He stated this had been paid and the club had not defaulted since

.

1 minute ago, wilsdenrover said:

If it doesn’t end well does that mean no more Venkys?

Let's hope so. Because that's a happy ending ,

Sadly. This strangulation is likely to set In further first imho

3 minutes ago, den said:

I think the difference here is not just that the club was late with payments, but the fact that because of changes to Indian Law the club could very well have gone into administration without a successful legal appeal in India. That must have been very much in the balance for some time. It wasn’t just a routine thing that happens all of the time Glen.

A few more detailed questions could rightly be asked of Waggott regarding the current and future situation.

I minuted these last time, and he was probed.

He said beyond short term he genuinely didn't know 

5 minutes ago, speedies gonna get ya. said:

I'm surprised that people can be so confident that the courts will allow the next injection of funds at the end of the month. Just because they allowed it last time does not guarantee they will again. Its widely reported that the Raos are unpopular with the Indian government, they could really turn the heat up on them by not allowing more funds to leave the country. What then? 

The club is confident. I'm not confident this ends well

3 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Quite…Not paying HMRC on time is rarely good news. It only takes a judge in India to have a bad day & we are in deep brown sticky stuff. 

Of course its not good news, but it did get paid and we never got issued with a winding up notice.

These are the facts, 

I'm sorry the facts are an unpopular view, I've actually not put an opinion to it, just merely pointed out what was being suggested was factually incorrect.

Plenty meet with club,  yourself included, quiz them in your next discussion and report back 

2 minutes ago, Crimpshrine said:

That's not the point. The club are obliged to disclose such things but they didn't 

I don't know of they did or didn't as their meetings are not minuted.

I can't answer for the Trust but I'm sure one will answer this