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1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I researched into the tactics he used at both clubs, results but getting Watford's league position was a genuine mistake. 

I can say my words were harsh and unfair towards yourself

So who was original choice as you suggested before that choice was ignored given no journalist who were suggested who was being or had been interviewed or this original choice was ignore?   

why he get the job he did then

I missed an S off the choice, as there were choices, but Waggott was overruled by Pasha, who chose Ismael due to his wage fitting the budget. 
Thanks for accepting your words to me were harsh. 
Im not too sure what you are asking about Pasha and Gestede, but if I have got what you are asking right, Gestede possibly got the job he did at Rovers due to their friendship, but I’m guessing there.

Gestede did play under Kean at one point and of course Kean and Pasha, both have a connection to Kentaro.

It does feel like the people around from the very early days, have not all disappeared.

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think some of your comments have been unfair and nothing to back it up like Forshaw has to play which hasn't bare out there. 

who was the original choice given both Alan Nixon and Elliott Jackson have reported, so can you name him? 

If my comments are unfair then don’t you think yours are too? You said that my post that a record of one win in 12 games was pathetic was harsh and that he had them 9th in the table when he was sacked. That record is not only pathetic, but you have made an excuse for it by stating the position of Watford in the table was acceptable, yet stated they were 4 places higher than they were. You also suggested that  you researched this, so why try to defend him by lying for him, or have you made a genuine mistake?

There was more than one manager ear marked for the job and very much like the Coyle for Warnock situation, Pasha persuaded the owners to take Ismael, as he fits the budget.

we all know how Coyle being brought in after another manager was promised the job, turned out and I would suggest, history will repeat itself.

On another note, Gestede and Pasha are good mates and have taken a holiday together. 

15 minutes ago, speeeeeeedie said:

Per Wikipedia, here are his overall managerial stats. His Watford tenure is a very Mowbray-like 1 win, 1 draw,1 loss average. His total win record in England is 34%. Overseas it's close to 60%. Why did he get a 3+ year deal? 

He was cheaper than the original choice, who Waggott had signed off. Pasha overruled him.

4 hours ago, K-Hod said:

We usually do, to be fair.

Fair enough. 

3 hours ago, martonrover said:

and the bare stats don’t tell the full story.

The amount of time in post (ie not much) and circumstances / situation preceding Ismael’s sackings at WBA and Watford should also have been scrutinised by our clown show.

Add to that, he never looked to be the right fit for us, anyway, especially to follow on from Eustace.

Chalk and cheese.

We really needed a well respected, senior figure until the end of the season , to give us the best chance of success, and then re-assess.

The only other logical alternative would’ve been to go for someone whose star is rising.

Ismael ticked none of the right boxes, and the long contract was the cherry on top of the shit cake.

The only positive is that his utter uselessness has brutally exposed how  bad things really are, and has brought things to a head again.

 

Yet, we have a poster, who thinks my comments that his record in his last two jobs was pathetic, is unfair. 

I wonder if we will get a happy Easter in a few weeks?

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I know all the stats about that. I researched into that and I don't agree league position is irrelevant 

oki doki then

 

By the way Watford were in 13th after the one win in 12 not 9th when he was sacked. 

1 hour ago, TheRevAshton said:

There's a company that has a perk, in which employee's can win complementary tickets to every home game, a limited amount.

The person who sorts it all says nobody is even entering to win them anymore... he can't even give them away!

If that firm is a former shirt sponsor, I know who you mean,

Its a wicked thing to do, turning down a free ticket, but is simply how bad things are.

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Good for you. 

Ismael had a pathetic record in his last 2 jobs? Don't agree. WBA were in the playoffs when he was sacked and Watford were 9th when sacked. Pathetic record? Not for me. More than decent enough. 

Ismael and Wagner were the final 2 candidates from reports, and I both of the would be the sort of options Rovers would look at instead of British head coach. 

Who says any team selected by Ismael has been interfere with?.who the source? 

Watford sacked him when he had won one in his last 12 matches. That’s 4 wins if that was the form over a season, that’s pathetic in my book, but clearly not yours.

WBA sacked him for 12 wins in 32 when they were favorites for promotion. Not as pathetic as his Watford Gig but pathetic non the less, in my opinion. 

League position is irrelevant, as if we sack Ismael at the end of the season, if he wins no more games, it would be one win in 12 like Watford, but he had us higher than last season.

My source was a former player, who I afraid I can’t name, but he is still close to the club and has told me, it is not unusual. 

48 minutes ago, arbitro said:

My understanding is there is an increase built in should the club trigger an extension. 

I was told this by a friend who works as an agent. He represented an ex Rover who the exact same thing happened and his wage increased considerably.

I have a mate who is a former player and current Championship clubs, scout. You almost certainly know him. He has told me similar things.

He scouted and reported on one of our players recently at Ewood. 

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Forward planning 😂

Great that Waggott will finally be gone but it wont change anything. The issue is Venkys, replacing Waggott with a novice in Gestede wont make much if any difference.

Gestede is poison and has recently told a fan to fuck off at a match.

Fact 

24 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Ham?  As in the meat?

Or am I being thick?

Think Muslims and you will be accurate. 

31 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Some news during the night.

Michael Cairney's role will be DOF, hence it's not been stated.

Rudy Gestede will replace CEO Waggott at the end of the season.

Ham has been banned from training ground.

Source of information is as good as it gets.

 

Careful, you may be accused of posting tittle - tattle.

I know that will be bang on though and cheers for posting it.

8 hours ago, glen9mullan said:

Talking to the club has become a pointless exercise, it's also been used as a yardstick to claim supporter engagement 

The fans forum ain't spoken to them for near on 5 months. This is unacceptable, whilst the trust represents only it's membership base which is less than 1% of the supporter base 

There has been no meaningful communication from either the club or anyone meeting the club neariy all season.

We are at the point of no return, the club has clearly taken the wrong advice, and no amount of grovelling is going to change the landscape. Their approval rating is probably at the lowest of any administration the club has had, certainly in my life time of over 45 years.

We saw this week a shift, not since Shagnew have the fans took a stand. These cretins are pussy cats in comparison.

I genuinely think they thought approval to action would gather no traction,

They should have read the history books, as previous action as ended with the executives departure, and this will end the same way.

 I think I had my meeting with Waggott the same day that you and Mark Fish were seeing him, back in November 2023. He was more interested in whether or not I was recording him, than discussing, the real reasons, I was there.

As you say, talking to the club, has become a pointless exercise and I realised that back then.

For what it’s worth Waggott, accidentally copied me into an E Mail to his P A so That I knew what he was covering up, before the meeting, which was also the reason, he was worried about being recorded. 
I also got the impression that I was being recorded too, but that could be a touch of paranoia on my part.

5 hours ago, TheRoversGRL said:

I think some have a heart and truly care about the club, but they need to read the room and be proactive in their approaches

I agree and for what it’s worth, think Waggott has manipulated certain people and destroyed the real reason that the trust was set up for initially.

5 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Who else was going play next to Travis? Forshaw started the previous 2 games scoring against Plymouth in 1

Already replied to that, but of course you won’t have it will you, as bizarre decisions, don’t happen at Rovers.

The manager was chosen above 150 others apparently, yet he had a pathetic record in his last 2 jobs.

I am a lot more inclined to believe he was chosen, due to being happy to accept interference in team selection, than his past record and his ability to set up a team, coach them, get results against cannon fodder and have an identifiable style of play. 

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Really? 

Buckley wasn't available and Tronstad just coming back from injury so who else was going to play there. 

Yes really and I posted my team at the time. Tronstad was on the bench and came on, so was fit to start, so if not fit enough for the full 90 he could have been taken, off as required. Forshaw is not good enough, simple as that, but cheap and therefore was signed to fill the squad, yet got a few starts, above other players, as you well know, but you won’t accept that, like you won’t accept plenty of other things that smack you right between the eyes. 
If you go back to the early days under Venkys, the same happened then. In fact a fan was texting a certain individual, who in turn, made the substitutions and not the manager. If you look back at that time, even the signing of Jordan Rhodes came about due to a suggestion from a fan and that is 100% accurate.

Of course, you may choose not to believe it, as you have this insane desire to defend the club you love at all costs and still think we will make the play offs, despite almost every one else on here, knowing, we have a dud manager, who will not cut the mustard. You will only accept that, once he has been sacked, at which point you will change your opinion of him, just as you have with the last 2 managers. 

8 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

Thee is no substance. You’ve admitted there’s no substance. It’s probably your understanding of ‘substance’ that is the issue. 

Ok

10 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

So the person who told you doesn’t know if it’s true either? And why would you trusting that person make it true anyway? 
 

It’s just tittle-tattle. 

I think my understanding of tittle- tattle and yours probably vary.

I would suggest it means rumors with no substance, which this isn’t. 

4 hours ago, Tomphil2 said:

If you're Gestede and/ Waghail and you plan another big summer of change moving players out and in whilst foisting more young loans and academy players onto the first team you need your own puppet in place.

That's what this guy is he'll know exactly what is going to happen that's why he looks like he isn't bothered right now.

And for agents it'll be another summer of a feeding frenzy at the Rovers trough commission wise.

Exactly this and the very reason, I suggested he was told to play Forshaw in his first game and did. 

1 minute ago, Forever Blue said:

There’s enough to hammer the club with without resorting to tittle-tattle that probably isn’t true. You’re playing right into their hands. 

I’m not reacting to some tittle-tattle. I know and trust the person(s) who have heard this and think it is highly likely to be true. If you heard something like this from someone you trust, would you not post it? 
I have not stayed 100% as the person who it came from hasn’t. 

4 hours ago, davulsukur said:

I have no reason to doubt your info, as I have 0 inside track but the club is in the black, the CEO got a cushty payrise and we've added 2 new staff to the scouting team.

Can't see how we're not paying the players.

Even at our lowest the players still got paid (to my knowledge) can't see it changing now.

As soon as the players stop getting paid, that's when the authorities start looking (at last) and Venky's won't allow that. 

There are other people who have posted  on here today, who have been told about this. It isn’t 100% definite, but unlikely to have just been made up.

So far as being told to play certain players, I would like to put it out there that the current manager, was not appointed based on his record in his last 2 gigs and was certainly not good enough in those jobs to warrant the length of contract he got.

In my mind, it is therefore possible that he accepted that he would be told to play certain players and given what I was told about Forshaw, think this is more likely than him being chosen above all those other supposed applicants on his past achievements.

2 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

So you don't think he was asked to play forshaw in that first game? Lol

I was told that from a very reliable source and do believe it.

6 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Eustace squeezed every ounce of this squad and realised how to get the very best out of them. Travis and Tronstad were the heartbeat of the team and both played their best football in their time at Rovers. Now both look confused and bereft of confidence - even the basics seem too much for them.

It's almost like Ismael is trying to dismantle this and do it his own way to the detriment of results and ultimately the club.

Exactly.

Anyone, with the remotest humility about them, would now accept that he has got it wrong and return to the tried and tested formula.

I can’t imagine for one minute, we will see any evidence of that though, either on Friday, or in the remaining games.