Last para from oj sums it up for me. TMs expectations too high but he won't have it!

Will TM find ever find it??

According to Sharpe more energy and won more tackles in 6 minutes of 2nd half then previous 45 minutes. What did he say??

Should have got rid before season started, before transfer deadline. We're now locked in not only with weak defenders but with a manager whose new style of football believes we can pass the ball out from the back.

We have the players, albeit limited selection. Team management is crucial but is TM the man?

Cardiff well organised but lacking in finishing quality. Our best spell was in last 5 minutes but up till then we weren't quick enough. Thought Travis did ok and Bennett was careful to avoid his previous mistakes - unlucky to be booked. Graham & Dack didn't get any chance to play, Walton nearly gave it away with his non safety play and Bell was too slow, needs to think. Says it all when Williams refuses to thread a ball through to him.

Listening to Sky's pre match last night we were to struggle against (£20m) Bowen and Eaves. Bowen missed a penalty and Eaves was substituted. Well done to all players, management and vocal support. Great team work. Got to say Cunningham is exactly what we need. The way he run through challenges from the back with a shot on target was perfect. Hope this becomes a trade mark for him.

Risky taking Dack and Graham off as we spent the last 15 minutes defending. It worked and maybe this was to save energy for Tuesday v Hull. Listening to Mowbray sounds like we'll go with same team and bring in Tosin v Cardiff. Hope Gally not suffering from hamstring.

I just don't want to go through this season counting the points we could have won. Wishful thinking on my part.

Defeat on Saturday v Boro' will surely see the end of TM. Not a fan of his selection, his tactics, or his transfer window failures. On his plus side he got us from Div 1 to Championship, his level.

Tosin may be out injured.

Thanks Magic. Plenty going on here tonight with posters annoyed at TM decision to bring on subs in last 15 minutes as a last gasp to equalise but played players out of position which is what TM does. Annoyingly for me he's states game plan worked even though no shots on target. One poster at the game stated TM didn't acknowledge away support. If true that's poor. We have a great away following.

Club under Venkeys isn't big enough for a DoF. No budget. Also TM wouldn't want a decision maker.

It's pathetic. Professional footballers and they didn't know.

As expected from TM

According to TM the game plan worked. God help us when his plan does not work.

And you think we will improve?

Sorry Stuart he's guilty of not fixing the defense.

He's lost it. Get rid.

We've lost a lot of ground under Mowbray this summer. Decades from achieving a successful championship side.

Big mistake

Also wonder what the EFL make of it. If Derby are legitimately bending FFP regulations fair play to their management team but from what we read and the relationship with betting the story stinks.

The look Downing gave him for a bad pass Said It IT All!

Mowbray :"We came away with a defeat because of our inability to deal with a corner..." No mention of Bennett giving the ball away then darting diagonal across the pitch in order to correct his error which resulted in Charton's opening goal.