He'd be a fool to do that.

I don't know if there is a way he can give a verbal message to satisfy us without showing his hand to potential sellers.

Maybe, we will have to reserve judgement until we see action. I wonder whether there will be enough "action" before the early bird deadline on 16 June..

Won't get fooled again.......well maybe not...

15 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

For your dirty mind go and say 3 hail Marys and 6 decades of the rosary ? 

Some might think that penance will last 60 years...not enough either!

13 hours ago, Raya4espania said:

You've lost me completely..

Edit- not you oldgregg..

Just now, Raya4espania said:

Exactly.

As in "Who are Accrington Stanley?"

15 hours ago, JacknOry said:

For the unsympathetic sympathetic Claret.

These were just some of the players brought in on impressive agents advice to get us back to the PL....look how their careers have turned out. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinho_Júnior

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogo_Rosado

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulo_Jorge_Gomes_Pereira

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuno_Henrique_Gonçalves_Nogueira

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fábio_Alexandre_Silva_Nunes

This is without including Jerome Andersons own son who now plays for some pub team.

I am sure a large rake off went to partners(joint owners?)...Do we think other partners merely allow their accomplices to keep all of this...or would there be some kind of split..?

15 hours ago, Biz said:

 

 Shhh don’t mention the “bad advice”...

I guess that is my point.

Bad advice implies something too external.

I find myself wondering if much of the so called outgoings/expenses etc ( percentage of transfer fees, signing on fees, salary from lengthy contracts, pay offs )are in fact payments to the "ownership" and not loss, as conveniently depicted.

I may have watched too many westerns, but I have a picture of the robbers meeting up in the hills and divvying up the proceeds!

Just now, sympatheticclaret said:

Player's Wages, Agent's Fees & Managerial Pay-Offs........simples !!

But agents were/are partners in running the club. Also a large slice of player wages, signing on fees-and indeed managerial pay offs-went to said partners.

To think I once wondered why there were so many strange signings

2 hours ago, arbitro said:

I don't get this gratitude to them for paying the bill's neither. The prolonged predicament we have (and still are in) found ourselves in is down to them. I still have 120 million reasons to dislike them.

It's like being on a life support machine for several years after being assaulted and your assailant paying the electricity bill to keep the machine switched on. And you have to be thankful to them.

Well said....And instead of a consultant, enter a clown....(followed by another and another..)

11 hours ago, Mike E said:

Thanks!

..except.....

8 hours ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

Yes indeed, taking an individual word from a sentence to construe your own meaning is a well accepted rhetorical practice. One wonders why Cicero bothered with all those extra words when one would do.

I get a sense of a feeling of superiority that your expectations have not been dumbed down, unlike us sheep. Enjoy the view from up there.

Cicero lol!

You're playing the man, mate. Stuart is the one with a Latin phrase for that.

You are the one who referred to all the posters who said they love us being a lower-mid Championship club and have no desire to be anything else.

My whole point was around what is now "acceptable". Then you used the very word, yourself, Tiro.

21 minutes ago, Biz said:

Would the hypothetical scenario of promotion and consolidation in the premier league be the only worthy outcome of respite from discontent for the ownership?

Genuine question, no straw-man or baiting. For me, the answer to that is yes but, they’d still be remembered firstly for their absolute negligence, but I’d at least be in a position to say they’d hired some decent professionals to run the club, and left alone.. 

That’s the real key part for any club, most clubs are in the same boat; Someone said “one more dodgy decision/hiring” of someone from disaster, of words to that effect. Previously, a finance director, a shelf salesmen, a Malaysian pundit and an Agent who helped broker the sale of the club have all had some say..

Can we trust Waggott if it does turn sour with TM? At least we are talking about someone with experience in football this time.... if he’s trusted to. We know the Cheston/Warnock/Coyle multiverse well.

“Willing to accept our dumbing down”, or what I’ve got? Well not really much of a choice if I still want to watch my team really. Do I accept the reasons for certain decisions? Nope. Do I accept the appropriate apology or response has ever arrived? Nope. Do I think they remotely understand the level of anger, embarrassment, frustration and sheer horror that thousands of us have experienced.....No!

The Raos’ job will likely be done the minute they sell up, but not a minute before. 12 months on from the last meetings in India, we are at least a level nearer some form of “redemption”.

 

Yes, I am more hopeful about Waggott than any of their previous appointees to the equivalent role. Not just a back handed compliment either, although they were all hopeless or something more sinister.

Like others, following our promotion I observed a few articles/phone- ins, wondering whether fans could now forgive Venky's etc. 

As a fan, of course I loved last season...but if it merely relieves the pressure on Venky's et al, as they revert to keeping the club, merely ticking over  in the lower reaches of the 2nd tier..what then for our club? 

It all comes down to the concern that Rovers is not in safe hands.... and I would not want anything to distract us from that realisation..

As for redemption...not in this world anyway!

Just now, JacknOry said:

We can only rise from where we were and that is not me dumbing us down as a mid to lower championship club. We should not have been in the Championship let alone League 1 but were put their through some horrendous decision making and extremely poor ownership that was badly advised by some of the lowest scum of the earth. I just do not want it to get any worse than it already is and would be more than happy with some sensible investments and decisions made. Anything that will take this club in a forward direction is fine by me right now - going the other way has me fearing the worst for the absolute future of this club.

 

No-one said you were dumbing us down. I never bought into the "blame the fans" line!

In the context of loyal, one club supporters, my point is around functionality.

The 2nd relegation and  immediate promotion -to the very level, which evoked such outrage in 2012- has has had the impact of managing our expectations down. It has bought Venky's and their partners time...

Just now, Ozz said:

The Rovers Trust End Of Season Report-Was It A Success?

http://www.roverstrust.com/2018/05/14/end-season-report-201718/

 

 

 

Now the dust has settled, I feel the tone and the balance of this report is right ..

50 minutes ago, Exiled in Toronto said:

I think I missed all the posters who said they love us being a lower-mid Championship club and have no desire to be anything else. I must’ve been too busy reading the ones who think that, as the next step in our recovery process, lower-mid Championship would be acceptable.

".Would love us being etc""? Blow the straw man down...again!

But you may have proved my point with your very last word Lol

28 minutes ago, lraC said:

I think we would all accept it right now, if it was announced that Mowbray had been to India been promised between £5 - £10 million, plus funds from any sales, if there are any, to build a squad capable of competing in the Championship. I can't see us getting too near a promotion or play off spot, but would be happy to stay well clear of relegation and would take a Millwall or Sheff UTD right now. Yes I would love another promotion, but that can happen for me, in the next 2- 5 years and I would be prepared for the owners to ensure that we don't go bust or be relegated again, for now.

OK,..my spectre at the feast moment..

Just musing....

One thing that all the recent euphoria has achieved is to dampen down rightful supporter criticism and discontent.

Now many seem willing to accept our dumbing down to a mid-lower table championship club...

Venky's job done?..discuss

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

If the wages are reasonable, which I would imagine they will be, I don't see a problem. A good honest pro and we can call him a rover at this stage. He has given a lot to the club

 

No, especially in a higher league!

 I like John Cooper Clark too, but I wouldn't offer him a contract either

9 hours ago, 47er said:

Wherever did I say our relegation  was simply down to one factor? Unless that factor is Venkys of course. The over-arching factor that's at the bottom of everything over the last 7/8 years. However, diluting the squad every year and selling our 2 centre-backs to Premier League clubs just before kick-off was surely significant?

As for the sentence in bold, what does it even mean? Am I being asked to agree that because of all sorts of decisions taken since Venkys bought the club, a massive debt has arisen which Venkys are responsible for?

Of course I acknowledge that, how could I do otherwise? I just don't see what point you are trying to make. It'll be opposite to mine, I'm aware of that!

If you are searching for a pattern, look no further than the two close seasons of 2011 and 2016. A relegation script...

You could be forgiven for thinking it was deliberate.....Certainly, I have forgiven myself for those thoughts!

5 hours ago, Stuart said:

Looking to extend Conway’s deal?

Meanwhile Payne is told that he would only be a sub and if that isn’t good enough, find another club?

Not really the noises I wanted to be hearing.

New deal for Conway? Surely not!

1 hour ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

If Payne is only going to be a sub next season what does that make Conway ?

Somewhere in North Wales

Just now, JHRover said:

Yes, to Leicester a team a league above them. Brighton massively in debt to their owner who poured fortunes in to get them promoted and admitted himself they'd have probably failed Ffp rules if they missed promotion (though would have probably fought an embargo rather than accept it as we did). 

Fulham owe £100 million+ to their owner. They finished below us the season before we decided to sell our best player to them for a knock-down fee without even consulting our manager.

An extra few thousand through the doors every week won't account for millions on new players.

Every club in the Championship loses millions a year. We aren't a special case on that front. Thanks to these owners we're one of a very small number who decided to try and solve it by selling everyone decent. The direct consequence was relegation and millions more lost.

Anyhow, I think we're getting off track. My point was that some (Chaddy) are convincing themselves that these owners won't dream of selling Dack or others to rivals for a fee like £3 million. My point stands that they've a very recent record of doing exactly that, so i wouldn't be surprised at all if they did it again when it suits them.

But after years of being badly advised, they have finally learned .. Lol

44 minutes ago, Herbie6590 said:

Yes they have. It’s in the a/cs. The parachute money is paid to BRFC. Transfer fees are paid to BRFC. The TV money is paid to BRFC. 

At its simplest, our outgoings have outstripped our income for the whole of their ownership. (Outgoings would include transfer fees, wages, agents fees, advisor fees...etc).

On that basis an owner either borrows money to keep trading or injects more of their own cash. If neither of those happens, the company is insolvent & soon ceases trading. Venkys have done both.

This isn’t opinion, it’s maths. I’m not a Venky apologist but I do understand company accounts.

I haven't studied the accounts.

I do keep wondering how much of this  is agents'  (partners) direct fees, how much went on salaries for Murphy, Etuhu, Orr, Goodwillie, Formica and Rochina. A  good percentage of those salaries would have made its way indirectly into the pockets of the same agents (partners). 

Then there is all the money spent on paying people off and maintaining their silence.....

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It seems to be the general consensus within football that he is an excellent coach but a poor man manager.

Funny what sticks in your mind. Apart from the wally with the brolly stuff ....

The morning after we were relegated with Kiddo after the goalless draw with Utd, I went into work, emotionally fragile.

A friendly, Utd colleague told me that McClaren (then Utd's number 2) waited on the touchline at the end of the game and shook the hand of every relegated Rovers player..

13 hours ago, islander200 said:

That Liam Miller is supposed to be very highly rated. Canadian but played at some school with. Sessegnon brothers and he was more rated than them.Scored a lot of goals already been involved with the Canadian senior team.

Saying that any of the extremely talented youngsters at Liverpool you would expect Gerrard to maybe take them on loan to Rangers 

Would someone called Liam ever contemplate signing for Rangers lol?

9 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Has Jim White got them yet??

Valdez is not coming!

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

God, what I would give to be a fly on the wall for Tonys visit to India. 

One thing  for certain, if you were a fly on the wall, you would not be on your own!