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2024/25 Season Tickets
JHRover replied to TheRevAshton's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Nothing new or imaginative here. It has all the hallmarks of a Waggott scheme - several relatively small gimmicks to make some people feel like the offer is a decent one but in practice actually there's not much happening differently to previous years. On the plus side there's some sort of reduction which beats the usual freeze or increase, but really not enough to drive a turnaround or serious growth in numbers. It will probably be enough to persuade the majority of those from last season to renew which will be good enough for old Steve to get by for another year with the extra tv cash to more than cover the difference. Even if 8000 all benefit from a £30 reduction that is a nominal cost to the club when it is collecting £3 million extra for the new tv deal. Of course absolutely no mention of the impact of this deal on fixtures and the inconvenience it may well cause to those who go to games. Just sign up ignorant to that is how they want it. I'm baffled by the Riverside scheme. It seems to be some sort of acceptance on the part of the club that they should do something to try and increase numbers there and offer a cheaper option for the worst facilities in the ground, but as ever with this CEO it's half baked and with strings attached. Instead of just making it £300 for everyone, or £300 for the first 1000, or 2000 or 3000 it's limited to just 300 'new' supporters and 300 existing supporters with some ballot system in operation. Unless I've missed it they don't qualify what a 'new' supporter is. Is it someone with no history of going to games? Someone who is a former ST holder? Someone who didn't have one last season? I really wish they'd stop with the gimmicks like £30 off for 30 years since we won the league. I'm tiring of this regime attempting to exploit past glories when they should be ashamed to even mention it given the disgrace of this ownership. I'd have a lot more respect if they just acknowledged that fans deserve a reduction after their outrageous conduct of the last few years and the rapidly decreasing quality of the product and that they need to take action to stop decline. -
Delighted for Adam and his family as his meteoric rise continues. Sadly witnessing that rise gives me little pleasure as a Rovers fan. The sheer idiocy and short sightedness of the owners and the 'management' once again ends in failure and embarrassment as we are left with nothing but regret and disappointment having pocketed a low sum of money for such a talent. Sadly the worst part of this is knowing that the primary beneficiaries are Venkys who can simply use that cash to fund their ruinous regime and Waggott whose life is made easier and position vindicated. Those who deserve credit- Adam, JDT, long gone to better things living us stuck with the pond life.
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The Summer Transfer Window (Press Submit)
JHRover replied to RoversClitheroe's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Revenue has just gone up £3 million overnight thanks to the new TV deal. Budgets allegedly being reduced. All a choice of the owners, not FFP. -
Mowbray had power and freedom that nobody else has had. I believe that started and ended with the fact that he jetted off to India and sat around in Pune waiting for the ghastly madame to grant him an audience. His willingness to do this secured him power and finance. Waggott has done the same - he's had jollies out to India over the years and such steps secure you bullet proof status in Venky world. Forget about getting sacked, it isn't happening once you have that personal link with the top dogs. They might had turned the taps down to a trickle in the last few windows of Mowbray's reign but he was still blessed with relative fortunes compared to what Lambert and Coyle had before him and what JDT and likely Eustace have had after him. No coincidence at all that none of those other four ever (to my knowledge) went out to India and played the 'wonderful kind people' routine. There was a suggestion early on last summer that Broughton and JDT were being lined up for an India trip. I was encouraged by that because I believe had it happened both would have had considerably greater financial backing and our fortunes could have been very different. it didn't happen in the end and we can only speculate why. Maybe their legal issues in India or maybe a stooge in the shadows operating to ensure they didn't secure such power direct from India and instead had to continue through the 'conduit'. Matters not the reason, but the outcome is a familiar one. Mowbray wouldn't have been able to do a fraction of what he did with the resources of the last 2 years. He knew this, which is why he ultimately threw a wobbler and left even though I'm sure had he been patient enough in summer 2022 then they'd have offered him another contract. JDT, Broughton, Eustace, never stood a chance. Nobody here will under these owners unless they can go straight to the top and get agreement for financial backing from there. Kean knew this. Bowyer knew this. Mowbray knew this. Waggott knows this. That's why they all spent god knows how long sat in airports, planes and hotels in Pune waiting for them to see him. It wasn't for a holiday it was to secure power and money.
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You might well be right, I really don't know the bloke or think it is fair to judge him on 3.5 windows mostly of fiasco and drastic cuts.
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It's not a popularity contest. I couldn't care less if someone is aloof if they are good at their job. Too much of this down there. It's why Mowbray was worshipped with his tea and biscuits routine reminiscing about growing up in 70s Middlesbrough and presumably why Waggott has got his feet under the table so comfortably.
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Waggott and Suhail do not have backgrounds worthy of running a Championship football club. Waggott appears to have been an agent, and a questionable one at that, before a series of short lived roles at failing clubs including Charlton, Coventry, Southend and Gillingham. Hardly an impressive resume. Shadow man we know very little about other than he's popular with the worst owners in English football history and appears to have had links to a certain agency. True or not I doubt either would get looked at twice for the equivalent positions elsewhere, which is why Waggott was doing 'consultancy' work for Ron Martin and Paul Scally before landing the job here. In 6.5 years 'leading' the organisation I'm struggling to think of a single positive achievement on or off the pitch, unless you consider surviving in the second division and achievement or that he gets any credit for the work of the team and manager. Dubious backgrounds and not in my view people who should be directing this club
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Whether you rate Broughton or not there's a way of doing things. If you're going to go to the trouble of making a statement you at least try to attach a degree of professionalism and respect to it. Just further highlights the type of people we have running the show. Unprofessional, disrespectful, unpleasant and unfit to hold senior office at a club of this stature.
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Shameful 'statement' but only to be expected here. Looks grammatically incorrect with too many commas. Suppose they've at least got all the spelling right on this one unlike yesterday's emails
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2024/25 Season Tickets
JHRover replied to TheRevAshton's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Waggott is the sort of person who thought people would rush to buy a season ticket so they would potentially be included in a prize draw that he dreamt up half way through the summer when he realised he was on track to miss his target. So of course he'll be shallow enough to think there are people out there who will be willing to pay more just because there's Leeds/Bolton/Burnley included. As it happens I doubt he's responsible for the current delay. Even he will want to get money coming in quickly, it serves him no benefit to keep delaying. We're just seeing once again the impact of Venkys as owners and some people should bear this in mind when transfers are collapsing and they are trying to blame rogue secretaries and all manner of other excuses. The problem is with India. -
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JHRover replied to TheRevAshton's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
It's just a ruse to make it appear to the League and others that we are engaging supporters and meeting our customer charter in asking for feedback. -
2024/25 Season Tickets
JHRover replied to TheRevAshton's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I think its a mixture. For some price is everything. If it costs too much or they don't see value for money in the product they won't buy one. Venkys or no Venkys, PL football or League One football. This becomes especially important where large numbers of games are moved to inconvenient or impossible kick off times. We have a lot of fans who live quite a distance from Ewood who can't or don't want to travel in early doors or evenings. Simply speaking there isn't value in the product. I doubt some of those people care less about Venkys or Waggott, they'll simply weigh up their budgets and act on that. Here we have the perfect storm. A very poor product / atmosphere, abysmal marketing and sales policies and in the last few years expensive prices. When you apply all that to a relatively small home fanbase it's a recipe for disaster. Others will have their eyes on other matters above and beyond merely price. I'm one of those. If new owners took over tomorrow and announced they were charging an extra £100 on last season I'd pay it and give them the benefit of the doubt, whereas even at £300 a season I feel uncomfortable handing my money to this regime. I'm sure if there was a change of ownership there would be a surge in numbers of some degree. Probably not 5000+ but maybe a couple of thousand of people wanting to enjoy a fresh start and support the new regime. The key of course is whether the new people would harness that positivity and build on it, or waste it like this lot have several times. -
Nobody of repute is going to come here. So it will either be a desperado or someone entirely new to the job just delighted to be in the 'top position' at a Championship club. Anyone with an ounce of common sense would be dropping a line to Broughton before accepting any job here and asking him for his off the record view on things, and why he's on his way out after less than 2 years in the 'project'.
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Rudy Gestede
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So we bring in a 'specialist' in academy / youth football in Broughton to oversee and orchestrate an 'academy model' of developing kids through our academy, progressing them to the first team, selling them off for a profit, supposedly with the intention then to reinvest the proceeds of those sales to go again and strengthen the club. Sounds good and relatively sensible. Less than 2 years later we've just raked in over £20 million by selling the two crown jewels of the academy in Ash Phillips and Adam Wharton to Premier League clubs. If anything I think we should be disappointed with that amount of money as I think someone had our pants down on Ash Phillips and Adam Wharton is very soon going to be worth a hell of a lot more than we hurriedly flogged him for. But anyway, £20 odd million it is. Still a good chunk of money. Not bad at all from 12-18 months of the 'project' given neither of those lads had featured at senior level prior to Broughton's arrival. We know there was never any real intention of reinvesting the cash, there never has been, but at least it sounds good talking about the Brentford model and sustainability and FFP. All the while in season 1 of the 'project' we went within a hair's breadth of Wembley and the play-offs playing some terrific football and integrating numerous youngsters into the XI (or at least giving plenty of opportunities to do so). Looks to me like the project has actually worked to absolute perfection. Could anyone have expected a better rate of return? So why is it being changed again? Answer - they're just making it up as they go along and reacting to the latest noises coming out of India. Essentially they have 'used' people like Broughton and JDT to get them through another couple of years without any scrutiny whilst the owners continue to slash costs and pocked the transfer receipts yet both the above bought into a longer term project and ideals of getting to the PL and developing as a club. Never any intention of doing any of it.
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2024/25 Season Tickets
JHRover replied to TheRevAshton's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Just imagine if that is actually true. Ridiculous. I've been wondering for a while just how the charlatan will attempt to justify or sell season tickets at the same or higher price than last year after everything that has gone on. I'm sure that a large part of it will focus on resuming fixtures against the dingles and Bolton. That's basically all he has. He can't use anything else because he knows people will see right through it after what has gone on. I suspect that they are still waiting for the Indians to approve pricing and a budget for next year. It is usually about now that they are summoned out to India so we're probably on the agenda for review within the next few weeks. No rush. -
Silvester sacked Baker appointed
JHRover replied to chaddyrovers's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I do find it astonishing after everything that has gone on at this Club over the last decade that anyone would even consider giving them the benefit of the doubt and accept 'human error' as an excuse. If you had dropped me or anyone on here into the position of club secretary on deadline day and asked us to complete a complex transfer then 'human error' might be fair enough. But when you've had a vastly experienced club secretary in place, and very similar/the same things have happened two years running (if not more that haven't got into the public domain), and those deals affected happen to be restricted to those requiring the vile Venkys to put their hands in their pockets to fund them, well it's just too good to be true. All the stuff about Broughton, Silvester, forgetting to click submit, has, in my opinion, all the hallmarks of desperate arse covering by people petrified of their overlords in India getting the blame. The only thing they are interested in is making sure their cushy numbers aren't affected and that starts and ends with keeping the owners happy and free from any criticism. Everything else flows from that. Of course they will lie. They're quite good at it and it works with a lot of people. -
He should have been asked which owner. There are (at least) four of them.
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The Summer Transfer Window (Press Submit)
JHRover replied to RoversClitheroe's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
They're not totally daft Then it will be about how this summer is too soon to judge the Broughton replacement as he arrived too late and we will see the benefits of it in windows to come. -
If Waggott was fired for missing his financial targets he would be the first Venky Rovers employee in 14 years to suffer such a fate. They've been quite happy to allow failing ineptitude at every level of the operation throughout their tenure. I very much doubt Waggott would be any different.
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I think there's a middle ground to be had. Naturally more and more tv is going to prevent or deter a lot of people from going to as many games as they might have done previously. If it is cheaper and easier to not attend then that's what a lot of people will do. Clubs can try to keep ahead of this by adjusting their offering to compensate for the inconvenience. The most obvious one of those being on price. Charge a price that people are still willing to pay even if it means they miss a few due to tv and the rest. This is where the Bolton and Preston level pricing comes in, because at £250 for the season it is an amount that many people will be able to absorb without too much to ponder and when they do they can happily miss quite a few and still feel as though they are getting a reasonable price and return for their season ticket. Those clubs that have limited supply to demand - the likes of QPR, Norwich, Plymouth, Luton - will also be able to exploit that by fans risking not being able to get to any games if they don't commit in the summer. I think it is inevitable that numbers will drop off due to increased tv but some clubs will be able to cope with that better than others. Some will use increasing revenues to try to head issues off in advance, others can do nothing and assume all will be fine.
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Waggott knows what he's working for and knows that as long as he can produce figures that show numbers holding steady or slightly increasing then that will be box ticked at the summit meeting and off he goes for another 12 months on the gravy train. Maybe I'm being kind to the owners here and suggesting that they are ultimately judging their employees on performance, which would be a first. I imagine the truth is Waggott could not sell a single season ticket and do whatever he wanted short of demolishing the stadium and they wouldn't get rid of him. Not unless he started turning the spotlight on them. As it stands he's the perfect administrator for them. Does a job, keeps things ticking over, presents a facade of normality whilst overseeing an operation that is anything but normal. Not going anywhere until he decides he's had enough. But when you're paid that sort of money to effectively be your own boss and rule over a little fiefdom thinking you're something special it can be a tough gig to give up voluntarily.
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'Endeavour' suggests effort has been made. These owners certainly haven't applied any of that in the last 14 years, whatever tab they might have picked up for it.
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JHRover replied to RoversClitheroe's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
They've already proven they can't or won't do. If rumours of Watson Ramsbottom replacing Totally Wicked as main sponsor it only further highlights the very very limited thinking that goes on down there, basically speed dial one of the existing ones and see if they'll increase their deal.