JHRover

No FFP cycle talk there. Just action.

Stage 2 or 3 of local media layering excuses for the owners failings Are we a professional club or not? Shouldn't go into such deals if the requirements are too difficult to cope with.

I've seen people praising Broughton's modus operandi of trying to get players in on loan with an option to buy in a later window. The trouble is that this is just a typical Venky regime stunt. No cash now, give us a favourable deal and then we -might- give you millions later depending on how the player does and what our circumstances are. Obviously a case of we haven't got two quid to rub together so we'll kick the can down the road for another 6 months and either go elsewhere then or maybe the owners will take some interest by then and actually allow some money to be spent. Making it up as they go along.

In Venky land it just buys them 6 months to avoid spending the money and then when we get to the summer we don't exercise the option and the money disappears.

When would you say that was?

Next one is his girlfriend wanted to live in Sheffield rather than Blackburn That one's a popular option from the book of excuses, blame the player or his Mrs for wanting to live somewhere else and we are powerless.

If Venkys were serious owners they would advance the money for signings now on the basis they recover it a day or two later when the Wharton cash arrives. Absolute worst case the Wharton deal does fall through. They are still sitting on £30 million of assets with him, Szmodics, Carter in the summer and can (and probably will) sell the lot of them then and recover the funds with healthy interest. They are once again claiming to be powerless victims of bad circumstance which just isn't the case.

The Wharton deal 'close to collapse' line being fed by Bayes is part of the Venky cover up operation. I wondered what form it would take and when it would come. You know when it is coming from Lancs Telegraph/ Radio Lancashire that they are getting their information from the Club and therefore isn't to be taken seriously. The name of the game here is that Waggott and the rest of the regime down there will now know their overlords have stuffed us over again and will be preparing for the inevitable furore from the fanbase and media. So the solution to head that off is to deflect blame away, this time to Palace / Wharton. Poor old Rovers doing their best but plans being placed in jeopardy by external factors which threatens our own business. What a surprise! Not our fault!

Disagree. You take the Venky coin and sit back in silence or make up excuses to defend them then you deserve criticism

I think JDT resigning now, rather than after the season is done, is the only way of a very loud and public message getting sent to the owners and the boardroom, and people waking up to what is going on here. Anything else just isn't going to cut it. We can moan and groan but for Waggott and the Indians it will be business as usual and a job well done, unless JDT causes them a big problem by walking and shining the spotlight on them.

Of course not. Broughton might not be perfect but has nothing to gain by derailing deals. He will be doing the best he can with an impossible situation working for charlatans and liars. As with O'Brien he will have been led to believe that funds are being made available, he will have done the hard work in getting the deal ready and the player on board and then when it comes to parting with the cash the owners fail to deliver. Each and every time. Of course nobody employed by Rovers is ever going to admit this because if they did they'd be out of a job and probably not employed elsewhere in football, but anyone thinking logically about this knows where the blame lies. It makes no sense for Broughton to line it up then scupper it, just as it made no sense last January supposedly for the Club Secretary to suffer temporary amnesia and forget how to do his job. It's just lies, bullshit and smoke and mirrors aimed at shielding the Indians from any blame for what are their decisions.

Well not many that we know about, I suspect there is actually a very long history of similar stunts that have occurred at this disgusting club over the last 10 years or so that simply don't get into the public domain. This one has because it is a player from the US and there's a decent fee attached, and the previous manager rarely recruited from beyond Yorkshire. But same scum owners and same shady characters running it on their behalf so expect the same nonsense has been going on for years.

Not really When did we last sign a decent permanent cash signing in January? Under Mowbray the best we got were a few reasonable loans.

How about the owners advance the money, knowing that the worst comes to the worst Wharton doesn't go, we then have to sell him or another in the summer or we get the Raya money and they get their money back? In the meantime we get presumably a top target for the remainder of the season to help us out in dire straights. That's generally what clubs, particularly those with wealthy owners, do. They don't sit and wait for the funds to land in their account before doing business, just as they don't cut their squad back to the bone with FFP. You do it as a cycle, with a back up plan for the future if things don't go the way you expect. Here they just make it up on a whim from one day to the next.

Hopefully now people start to re-evaluate the O'Brien debacle and realise that the scumbags in India were ultimately behind that one not happening too.

We've opened the flood gates to bids for everyone and everyone. Don't blame clubs for trying it on, we're obviously in the business of selling and cutting, We will be judged by our actions, which is why clubs will try it on and why ambitious people will dodge us.

What's more important - Rovers having enough proven capable players to call upon for the rest of a tough Championship season to secure enough points to survive / be successful... Or Travis not being 100% happy at not playing as much as he would like? The Club comes first, professionals knuckle down and get on with it. You always manage to do this - turn every significant departure into 'player X being unhappy and wanting to leave' as a justification for every sale/cost cut. Will you ever hold Rovers responsible?

What is? The endless pursuit of cost cutting? So JDT is working his way through his squad and weeding out the biggest earners and most experience? Why? With Travis and Buckley the situation as I see it is quite simple. Venkys have the Indian issues / restrictions. This prevents any increase to the wage bill and probably means Broughton has been instructed to cut it further. In collaboration with JDT those two were identified as the sacrificial lambs on a cost-benefit analysis. This is partly because rival Championship clubs will see two relatively experienced and proven Championship players and consider it worthwhile entering into a loan agreement for 6-12 months as a 'try before you buy' scheme. In Buckley's case it didn't work out - poor choice of club and he got injured. Without those departures or equivalent from the wage bill there would be zero scope for incomings. All starts at the top with Venky financial nonsense in play again. At a normal football club the Travis one would never have happened, or certainly not in the first week of the window. It would have been a case of loan but only late on in the window if and when we have secured replacements. Or a sale for a reasonable fee so we can reinvest. Letting him go on loan in the first week of the window, knowing PL interest in Adam Wharton was near, was madness, as is the suggestion that we are well covered in his position and using an injured Buckley, totally unproven Ayari and regularly injured / deployed at RB Rankin Costello as examples of why.

Amazing how it is always the most expensive, experienced or sought after players that end up not fitting "the style" or getting itchy feet and wanting to go elsewhere, and ever so conveniently their departures facilitate a further round of cost cuts. Almost as though there's another constant factor in play here.

I bet other than Gallagher he's top earner. At very least in the top 4-5. They sensed an easy opportunity to offload and save. Travis was miffed at not playing, so they thought it would be all so simple to just usher him off to Ipswich who were willing to pay the wages in full, we'd make do with what we have or find another loan / cheap option and on it goes. Short sighted, dangerous, idiotic, but increasingly common under this regime. Buckley was the same. He was sacrificed so they could add Moran and Telalovic to the wages. They'll have loved that. One out, two in for the same cash or less. Problem when Sheff Wed sent him back - too much on the wages and someone substantial had to leave to cover it.

You know that the club is in a financial straitjacket. You know the owners are having to go to Court to meet obligations. Yet you don't think offloading one of our most experienced players might have financial motivations? Surely you are past the point of believing that it was all because "JDT didn't rate him"? He will have been top earner or certainly close to it. Maybe Gallagher higher that's all and he wasn't fit at the time. Let's say £8-£10k a week. Ipswich pay it all, we resume paying Buckley's wage in full whilst injured and take on the nominal costs of the two loans from Villa and Brighton Money saved That's the name of the game here, nothing more.

3 weeks ago we loaned our captain out to a league rival. An inexplicable and unforgivable move that appears only more and more foolish now we are set to lose Adam Wharton to the inevitable PL interest. If anyone was under any illusions as to just what a desperate financial state these owners (not FFP, covid, Indian government etc) have created at this club that decision illustrates it perfectly. Of course selling Adam Wharton hurts and I'm sure within a few years as with Raya and Cairney we will be wishing we had held on for more, but fundamentally £20 million is a lot of cash (that should be a game changer to the club) and Palace are a PL club. The move therefore makes sense, it can be justified as much as we can debate and discuss the figures and timings. The Travis one cannot be because we jumped into it to desperately get his wages off the books, leaving ourselves short on numbers and with no money to reinvest into replacements. So yeah, they were always going to jump at the chance to rake in millions, we're in such a state we can't even meet our existing wage obligations and are turfing out the captain to a rival to save cash.

I think Broughton is probably like most of the people who have worked at Rovers over the last decade. His intentions are right and proper, he wants to do well here, and probably works very hard at trying to do so Even if he isn't a particularly nice bloke it is still very much in his interests to perform well for the sake of his career. But as with most others it might be the case that he has ended up in a position he might not be up to the level of managing, or even if he is such are the restrictions and limitations he is operating under at a horrendous organisation such as Rovers his individual capabilities are probably immaterial.

Palace level Luton absolutely battering Brighton at present, need a third whilst on top Edit - Palace now 2-1 down

Its an insult to Brentford to even compare their setup to ours.