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12,000 season tickets rather than 7500. I'd say that's pretty emphatic vindication of their policies whereas we limp along stagnant. Not helped by the 'small town, no support' idiots who make excuses for the club to fall back on.

We've more in common with Oyston's Blackpool and the old Accy Stanley than people realise. Thanks Venkys!

I see the '£20 million a year' claim that Venkys or A N Other need to pump in today dealt another blow with PNE losing £12 million last year (without any big sales and with far cheaper ticket prices) I wonder what their secret is???

Speaking of Mowbray I see he managed to win a Cup tie tonight, in the last minute v Hull Amazing what is possible when you've a new club/owners/fans to impress rather than just being on easy street every season.

I'm not even confident in either of those things happening. I think it is highly unlikely a Judge in India would reach that decision, if he did it would probably be appealed and would certainly go against precedent. But even if it did that assumes Venkys are unwilling or unable to fund the club in a different way to stop it going into admin. I'm pretty sure that their lawyers and accounts people, if faced with an ultimatum of 'find a way' or 'club goes bust/into admin' they'd manage to find a way to do it, even if it was more expensive or inconvenient than the way they are used to. My hope is that these hurdles are putting them under a lot of aggravation and they eventually get fed up with the cost and hassle of going to court to do this and eventually they listen to advice in India and just give it up as a bad job not worth bothering with any more. Or alternatively that the Indian authorities start getting close to the smoking gun that could bring the whole thing crashing down and discovery of that or risk of discovery of that causes them to drop the club and leave. Then and only then is there a route to recovery. It might not be a quick or smooth one, but it is a route nonetheless. As it stands there is no route to anything but further misery because we are being dragged backwards and down by their presence.

Aye, and Buckley was shown the door in the summer on deadline day to free up the wages for Hill and Telalovic. Hand to mouth existence. Venkys out.

He still doesn't get it. I think he thinks that because it's Wrexham there's going to be a groundswell of interest in this fixture. In truth a cup game against a 4th division club on a Monday night which most people can watch on TV or online is likely to be not much if any better attended than previous cup matches such as Cambridge or Walsall earlier this season, particularly with the price being higher.

I don't understand why they deserve credit in your eyes for taking these steps. Have they had any alternative to doing this and if not why do they deserve credit for doing something they have no realistic choice on? I am told that the reason they are under restrictions is due to them being under investigation by the Indian authorities. If there was no investigation there would be no restrictions and no need to go to Court for permission to fund the Club. They've said it themselves in their submission to the Court. If the Court refused permission the club fails to meet its obligations, gets served with a HMRC winding up petition and goes bust. Their reputation is in tatters and 'investment' down the drain. I'd substitute credit with 'bare minimum' required to keep the lights on. No different to Joe Bloggs being forced to find the cash to pay his mortgage, rent, council tax and utility bills. Don't pay them the lights go off and you lose your property.

This will be in the Telegraph within the next few days. Local reporting these days basically consists of regurgitating whatever the Club tells them or keeping an eye on places such as this and Twitter and then when someone finds something they take it from there by asking Waggott or the office junior what it means. Of course if there was proper journalism taking place the Indian issues would have been front and centre of coverage for months now, a major issue that could potentially be the end of the Club if things go the wrong way and yet not a whisper in the local media. Disgusting.

Since Waggott abolished shareholder meetings under the excuse of Covid there's even less opportunity to grill them on these sort of developments. I wonder what the next set of accounts will say about the club as a going concern if parent company funding is dependent on Court releasing funds. When other clubs - like Reading - have been going through chaos the EFL clowns have insisted on their owner depositing months of funds in an account to enable them to keep functioning. They've been sanctioned for not doing. Wonder how far off that point we are.

Just think about the contempt these owners and Waggott must have for the fans that this stuff has been going on for getting on a year, if not more, and none of them have had the decency to even mention it to fans. Matters that could determine the clubs ability to function or even stay in business, owners and CEO don't consider us worthy of it being mentioned.

If we look purely at the players we had under Mowbray who have gone on to better things the list is horrifying: Raya - won promotion to the PL with Brentford, now playing every week for Arsenal Kaminski - earning rave reviews in the PL with Luton Steele - playing regularly in the PL and Europa League with Brighton Lenihan - playing every week at Middlesbrough Amari Bell - big player for Luton in the PL Joe Rothwell - PL football with Bournemouth and potential promotion this season with Southampton Adam Armstrong - PL football with Soton and now playing every week in a promotion push Harwood Bellis, Harrison Reed & Tosin Adarabioyo - admittedly only loans but we took that initial step of giving them a full season of game time, very important in their development, before they were then taken on by others who have enjoyed the fruits of that. Diaz - big money move to Spain not worked out but now playing in the PL with Sheffield United Travis - will play regularly at automatic promotion chasing Ipswich I'm sure there will be people employed by Rovers attempting to claim some credit or praise for these 'developments' as though this vindicates our policies. Unfortunately for us most were released or let go for next to nothing, and the clubs we are talking about are the likes of Brentford, Luton and Ipswich. Once upon a time the thought of losing important players to these sort of clubs would be a joke, these days thanks to Venkys just about anyone is a better bet for an aspirational footballer.

Yeah I heard a few saying 'see you back here' in the summer. Ain't going to happen. Even if JDT goes and the next bloke fancies him there's too much gone on now. We wanted his wages off and that's all there is to it, so the 'powers that be' will be hoping Ipswich love him so they'll come along with some cash early on in the summer window. Win win for Waggott and co. A well timed cash boost, big wage gone and all profit on an academy player. It really is sickening, especially when imbecilic Rovers fans start playing the 'poor little Rovers' routine, Ipswich being a club in League One for years and the definition of mediocrity for the decade prior to that. But another club that has more than we have - pride, ambition, determination - so I'm sure it will be like chalk and cheese moving down there to a club with an aim rather than just existing to develop particular players and keep people in jobs and favour with India. I don't want to support such an organisation, not at top end prices and having the mick taken out of me. I can take crap but not when we are being laughed at by those upstairs.

So nothing to do with FFP then. Our travails over the summer and this season caused only by the ownership investigation (that hasn't been explained by anyone in an official capacity). You make out like this is all transparent and has been explained. Yet all we know is what snippets fans have unearthed online, the owners and club have failed to explain any of it.

Ok.....so how we were able to agree, fund and sustain such a bigger budget for several years under Mowbray? a)Have the rules changed in the last couple of years and we are now restricted much more than before? b)Has our income plummeted unexpectedly forcing us to change track? c) Or have the owners simply decided they don't want to put more in? Please explain which one of these you believe is the answer and why.

Reading this I'm getting the impression that you are accepting FFP isn't the issue here? You're accepting the problem is the budget being cut from what Mowbray once enjoyed? If it is then why could they give Mowbray those transfer funds and not JDT?

Szmodics' value is at its peak. It isn't getting any higher and certainly won't if our results and slide continue. There's something wrong if other clubs aren't interested in him. Championship top scorer and in his last outing scored a first half hattrick to singlehandedly turn the game around. Other clubs will try their luck even if they aren't confident of getting him. It's clear to anyone that we are in the mire, not helped by the CEO and others publicly admitting we are skint. Clubs will chuck cash forward just to test our resolve. When you are loaning your captain and experienced players out to rivals flashing lights will go off around the Championship- basically what the f*** is going on at Blackburn and shall we try our luck? I'm past caring now. Disaster is when, not if. As far as I am concerned cash sales now merely help Venkys keep the show on the road for longer. The less they get back the better.

The highlight of my day was leaving the ground as the added time board went up and there were 3-4 lads in the concourse shouting 'we want Venkys out'. It wasn't much but in the depths of despair it was a welcome relief that at least a small number of the people who go 'get it'.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to have my knickers in a twist that our captain is playing for a side 2nd in the division and going to get at least a play-off position (more than we've had in over a decade), whilst we could be getting relegated with a team of kids, yes. I'm not saying he's the 'best player ever' but he's clearly very useful especially for a young/inexperienced side leaking goals all over the place and there's clearly a lot more to this than meets the eye. At best it sums up just what a complete shambles and mess this club is.

The players will know what the people above the coaching staff are up to behind the scenes. The dirty tricks, scheming, manoeuvring. The aim of their game is to get players out of the door, get some cash in and get their wages off the books, replace them with academy kids and loanees on 1/3 of the money. I suspect Travis saw this coming some time ago which is why he was expressing a desire to leave. He won't have been the first - I think Lenihan, Ayala, Nyambe, Diaz, Rothwell and many others also fell victim to it - and realised their futures had to be elsewhere because the 'powers' decided their time was up. I imagine there is utter bewilderment in the dressing room at Rovers and at Ipswich at the situation and this will only grow over the coming weeks as we hurtle towards the bottom 3 with the most porous defence in the league whilst he starts ever game for a side sat 2nd. It was an utterly outrageous move clearly not motivated by footballing considerations but these sort of suspicious and strange stunts have been all too common under the scum. There's nothing to add to the match thread for me. It was awful but the manager knows what they've done and what the crack is here. He's waiting for the sack. He's about to make his third big mistake: 1) Joining this hideous organisation 2) Not walking when he had the chance last summer after a good first season 3) Thinking the scum are going to fire him - they won't - they'd rather see us drop into League One

SEG group by the looks of things. Travis seems to have joined them very recently and thanked them for their help in getting the Ipswich deal done. JDT joined them last year. Also on the 'roster' are Kaminski and Tyler Morton. Think they are quite a big outfit and seem to have Pep Guardiola and numerous United/City/Liverpool people. Certainly an interesting one though......

And JDT

Why haven't we reinvested the Travis, Dack, Diaz, Ayala, O'Brien wage allocations and the Kaminski/Ash Phillips cash? Can the person who answers that ask Chaddy how and why he thinks Gallagher money is going on multiple 'better' signings?

I'm at the stage where I wouldn't support selling anyone. Two reasons One is our squad cannot get smaller. Two is that every penny we raise in sales means less for Venkys to pump in. Less for Venkys to pump in means less pressure on them and easier for them to ignore us. If there are no sales they can't divert the funds into running costs and instead have to find it themselves or borrow it. If there's truth to the Indian issues that might not be easy so I hold out some faint hope that this will force them out. Unlikely to happen I accept and more likely they'll direct Broughton to sell everything they can get cash for, but at least where a third party is involved, such as a lender or Court, there's a distant hope of them forcing a collapse in the rotten regime. £1.5 million or so plus Gallys wages out would do very nicely for that mob I'm sure. Not much good for our stricken squad but they don't care on iota about that little part of things I'd rather they didn't get a penny and have to find the cash themselves. For those thinking 'reinvest' don't. Because we won't.

If true I suspect that they will have in mind what they paid for Gallagher (£5 million?) and will have an issue with letting him go for so much less than that. He was an investment signing like Armstrong and Diaz and someone along the line might have to justify a multi-million loss on Gallagher if we offload him for a million or two. Flipping it round on the player being the proble for not agreeing new terms is easier to justify than we are agreeing to sell him at a £3 million loss. And yes, I really do think the people running things here operate in such a nonsensical fashion, as we've seen with Diaz and Rothwell.