Norwich where never paying out big money on any wages. They were selling to survive. Just luck got them the right combination. Hanley would be ideal. Championship defender for a championship club. Finesse no culture no. Get stuck in yes, get your head on the ball yes, if in danger put it in row z yes. Exactly what’s needed and he has a big gob to go with his big head. For me a tick. Sell lenihan no

8 minutes ago, 47er said:

3 points from that video:

The commentators wanted Leicester to win.

That penalty would be given today 99 times out of a hundred.

Same goes for the second pen but the commentators view when Newall missed is "Justice was done"!!!

Never heard this before but the commentary was so biased it could have been Leicester tv. I saw well organised defence work not an unlucky Leicester. Also from the limited highlights we missed a fair few ourself. 

Who where the commentators Gary linekar and Alan Smith?

56 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

I think hanley.  Time on the bench might have done him good. Should be in his prime and I'd have killed for him in a lot of games the season gone.  

Farker did make him captain 

Completely agree he would be ideal. Not perfect but everything we need. Get stuck in,lead the defence and will help lenihan. Also knows the club and possibly available for a reasonable price

4 hours ago, old darwen blue said:

Surely there must have been 20,000 b***ley?

There was but 19800 where locked outside

Just now, BankEnd Rover said:

Evans starting? I don't get it...

Maybe he’s one of the ones for the chop. 

41 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Big German blokes too, friggin ponces

I said exactly the same to the fella next to me on Saturday. It was embarrassing at times made worse by the fact that when the ref didn’t stop the game the jumped back up and ran around without any problems.

Personally I just can’t stand it and find it infuriating.

Just now, S8 & Blue said:

I agree with with 4) 

But I think they will both put up a good fight. 

To be honest I don’t really care. I hope they both do spectacularly well and that opens up the extra spaces for Burnley to fall through the trapdoor.

At the same time we go up with the Farke/ Sheffield/ Mowbray/ German/ continental/ fluid yet organised system that sets us apart from the others and for once other teams want to be like us.

That would make up for nights like tonight attending other people’s parties 

COYB

Just now, S8 & Blue said:

Huddersfield stayed up

Sorry my sentence / paragraph construction is poor.

1)They have a similar format to Huddersfield.

2)Relegated by Christmas is my opinion of Norwich not Huddersfield 

3) I dont believe that their format is the one to follow.

4) I think Sheffield Uniteds is better.

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

No idea what you're on about, they were excellent, particularly first half (they took their foot off the gas second half, only needed a draw remember), and didn't look like they need much investment to be safe next season. Every promoted team does of course, but relative to all those previous promoted ones, no, I don't agree they need huge investment.

I’m assuming that is sarcasm. They are the new Huddersfield. Obscure German manager with a group of unknown European players/ germans. Relegated in reality by Christmas. 

Sometimes you get the roll of the dice and everything goes right and this is one of those anomalies. Under no set of circumstances do we need to become the new Norwich other than the self belief and luck aspect.

Sheff United on the other hand are a completely different story.

Just now, Bbrovers2288 said:

Where has this team been for last few months 

It’s not Mowbrays usual preferred team. That was Saturday 

Travis for me had to force his way into the team and hold down that place with I believe a manager who was waiting for the opportunity to replace him. Stood up to that pressure and more than earned his place. It’s a pity the manager can’t adopt the same sink or swim attitude with some of his other regulars.

Putting the Venky issue to one side but not marginalising it. ( to prevent this being an ownership discussion).

We are not developing has a team. Mowbray talks about change but his actions defend the status quo. The current run of defeats by any standard is poor but his team selection remains the same. He seems to trust players and formations that are failing. He suggests the reason this can’t be changed is the alternatives are not up to the job ( chapman, rothwell , travis to a degree and all the under 23 squad). This is understandable if those he believes are  competent to deliver his objectives are achieving them.

I am at a complete and utter loss at the current mindset. He is in as he acknowledges a results business but does not appear willing to or capable of the making the decisions needed.

In the end if something’s not working change it. It is unlikely that repeating it will be successful.

This applies to team selection the manager( Southampton as an example) and the owners.

6 hours ago, DE. said:

My biggest concern with selling Dack would be replacing his goals and assists. Hardly anybody else in the team contributes and I'm not convinced Mowbray will bring in a suitable replacement. It would be a lot of pressure on Rothwell's shoulders if he was asked to replace Dack next season. 

While I’m not an advocate of selling Dack his goals could be replaced by investing in solid defenders to reduce the appalling goals conceded column

Just now, Ewood Ace said:

Rothwell has no long term future here whilst Mowbray is manager.

I think your spot on. However if we continue like this Mowbray won’t be here much past October of next season. He makes absolutely no attempt to rectify the defensive problems. Not one of the guys who made the training ground noisy this week can defend.

At Coventry he needed a defence and didn’t address it and he hasn’t done here. He doesn’t appear to reflect on his failings and address them. He appears to have an ability to blame failure on the junior members of the squad whilst never once applying the same criteria to the more senior staff ( mulgrew ,Conway Bennett William). We are in free fall as were  Coventry .He had an appalling win ratio at Celtic until he was removed and while he is respected in boro they went into  a  downward spiral as well

He needs to stop talking and start doing or he will be out if a job before the turn of the year.

 Mowbray has an immense amount of footballing experience but appears to learn nothing from it.

I don’t remember who said this but 

experience is directly proportional to the intelligence that’s exposed to it send a cabbage around the world it won’t come back an expert in geography it will come back a cabbage

PS I really hope this is not true because of all the recent managers I would love him to succeed.

18 hours ago, neophox said:

Nick Powell if Wigan go down.

Or don’t play him put him on the bench and then blame him for our defensive weakness

Add to Hanley with Bauer the Charlton lad. Lenihan Wharton and Mulgrew. That’s cb sorted. Now just the fullbacks goalkeeper, effective wingers and Graham’s understudy. I’ll look at that between appts this aft. Football management easy.

If Norwich are promoted Hanley who has only played 8 games this season could be available. He’s big and can head. I wonder if we could get him on loan or outright. I feel ideal in our situation knows the club and can lead. Also has a bit of aggression added in

3 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

All he needs to do is get our lineup set up against a height chart to realise that the opposition will target us aerially time and time again. Piss poor management. We’re not Barcelona who can get away with it. It’s the championship FFS.

I agree and a basic requirement of lower league football ( unless your the most talented team in that league ie rovers league 1) is defensive organisation. Commonly known as the basics. I can’t believe that a manager who has a wealth of lower league experience is unfamiliar with this concept. Yet the facts in terms of the on the pitch antics and the statistics say he clearly doesnt. He has had 2 years to address this not two weeks.

We lack height, pace and aggression our defenders are mainly makeshift midfielders. This was the case when Mowbray arrived and surprisingly has not been addressed. I’m not a professional in this area and may be missing some nuances but if my job depended on not losing and showing progression the easiest method is to not concede goals. Unless as you say you are Barcelona and going to heavily invest in the best attacking talent money can buy which we aren’t. Yet even Barcelona have an organisational shape they fall back into when defending.

I may be wrong but we need not only proper defenders but a clear defensive strategy. I’m at a complete loss at what has been worked on for 2 years but if there is a strategy then it needs changing immediately and if there isn’t we need one. 

For this reason alone questions need to be asked of Mowbray and his team because has I said initially he is failing on the basics which for an experienced man is a worry to say the least

Just now, J*B said:

He might just end up walking here you know.

Is that based on intuition or something more concrete?

Just now, K-Hod said:

Nice bloke but my God, we are shocking at defending. Embarrassing really.

Frightening to think that he actually used to be a defender himself, as a player, but can’t organise a defence as manager.

 

Is there not a book he could read just to brush up on the bits he’s forgot. Or if he can’t be bothered reading it get our defenders to do it. Set it has homework or something along those lines. Sort of on the job training, nothing official.

Its only a thought because nothing else seems to be working

Just now, Don Said said:

BRING BACK SPARKY.

If only that was in any small way true. I like Mowbray but defensively it’s shocking. Can’t think when it’s been worse. Although to be fair I’m not really trying I’ve become desensitised to heavy away defeat. Positive I didn’t go

On 05/03/2019 at 12:54, AllRoverAsia said:

Tend to agree.  Nothing working for Salah at the moment and Klopp starting to look a wee bit tense. 

Edit: predictive tense had it as Sarah and Loop

I’m quite  liking those as code names  and may adopt them in all future reference to the pair

I want Burnley to lose purely on the basis I hate them more and a defeat today with yesterday’s results increases the pressure on the ginger gob.

Just to clarify I can’t stand Klopp and Liverpool either and want city to win the league sort of.

2 hours ago, scotchrover said:

Boring? I define boring as something that’s repetitive, just like your ability to bang on about Mowbray needing to be removed. So, who would you replace him with? You can’t just talk on about getting rid of him, and not expect to be questioned about his replacement.  

What did you really expect this season? The title after going unbeaten all season? Promotion via the play offs? You’re living in a fantasy land if you are. Our job this season was to survive.

With regards to season ticket sales- Waggott’s clearly been brought in to try and cut the losses, whilst keeping the team competitive. Again, you’re living on planet fantasy if you think Venky’s are just going to allow him to cut season ticket prices.

You’ve also got to think about the financial fair play situation. If we cut season ticket prices, the playing budget untimately will get cut. The chances of this club bringing in similar attendances to the when we were in the top flight are minimal. Why? Because we’re in the Championship.

Your average walk in- who last paid out for a season ticket when we were in the top flight- isn’t going to purchase one when you’re up against teams  like Rotherham and Wigan, on a cold Wednesday night at home, when they can keep eye on it with Sky’s red button. The next time we’ll get big league crowds is on a return to the top flight, when big teams turn up. Just look the Liverpool and United FA Cup games...

You can talk about trying to “entice the fans” as much as you want. The fact the average walk in didn’t purchase one, when they’d have been given one for free the following season, if we’d been promoted under Bowyer, says an awful lot. 

I don’t know you and respect your opinion but like every other football fan I never set off with the idea of hanging around. In January we had a chance to push on and for whatever reason Mowbray didn’t take it. Football as In life is a results business and no matter how you dress it up this is really poor.

No successfully enterprise accepts mediocrity as its aim and I bet you can’t name one that does.

Do I want Mowbray sacked no but let me assure you if this continues it will happen. That is a given