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It’s just funny how Diaz did the same thing (went to way more established team too btw) was called everything under the sun Dolan does it and it’s fair play tye hope you smash it - mental

I see people saying espanyol are a mid table la liga side - they aren’t they are and have been this last 5/6 seasons a yo yo team have been relegated and promoted and the two times they have stayed up has been on the last day it can be dressed up whatever way it suits people I’m basing my judgement off his own interview and the Turkish president comments. If a team constantly fighting relegation in la liga is his ambition fair play but I stand my ground that he’s went to where is offering him the most money - Turkish president said he wanted a prem move nobody was interested good luck to him and his now burnely ties

He’s went to who was willing to pay him the highest wages let’s get it right. All his talk of ambition etc was hot air burnely sister club to boot

So who’s playing left wing then?

This isn’t about tradition - you listen and watch the experts talk about the 6 role the 8 role pivots etc it’s now deemed a defensive midfielder yes sorry he’s a natural midfielder who can play right back like jrc

modern day jargon or not a number 6 in today’s game isn’t necessarily a centre back I’d say it’s best described as a holding midfielder they haven’t ruled out playing him in his natural position - right back so he can be an option as holding mid or a right back if/when required

Agreed it can’t really be called a failure yet because he’s still under contract at spurs and could have a great season this season and break through next season But you can look at who spurs have there in Romero van de ven dragusin danso gray all of a great age profile and under contract for a good while so it will take some step up. Other variables are he was signed by ange likely with a clear plan for him Frank might have other ideas or even other targets he’s a big fan of Collins so its one of them ones until he’s left spurs we won’t really know - I just think spurs wasn’t the right club for him

We aren’t going to agree and nothing can be proved it’s all ifs buts and maybes i I just personally think spurs was the wrong footballing move for him I think he could have got maybe a lesser name than spurs but a better chance at playing prem football if he had of stuck around another year or two made his name here (I rate/rated him highly enough to become our starting cb) spurs clearly didn’t they played a cm in Archie gray at cb at 19 in his position I think that says a lot good luck to him though glad he’s getting the game time

Whilst I agree in footballing terms not much has come of it as Iv mentioned above but for spurs it’s not pointless if they make a decent profit on him

But we didn’t sign batth the season before and with Phillips here likely wouldn’t have needed to or at least wouldn’t have been a priority

Yes players in teams that are normally challenging in the playoff region are normally more sought after than those playing in relegation teams or mid table mediocrity im not fixating on it im making a point he could have got let’s say another 10/15 champ appearances (something your fixating on) as opposed to u21 football we arent going to agree on this for me spurs wasn’t the right club at the time for him I said it at the time and nothing has changed my mind since. Financially I’m sure he’s better off no doubt

So they are guessing then? Wonder what odds Luton were for relegation last season or Sunderland for promotion. Like you said not gospel and outside of parachute clubs they are just guessing

Yes that’s fair Iv accepted the financial side of things more talking from a footballing perspective a player could move to leave one clubs and be better paid than some of rovers players

It’s not a stretch to assume really given the facts Iv just provided about injuries and his trajectory into the team at the time. Clearly a talented lad hence spurs wanting and getting him why would the chances have been slim for him playing here the same amount of times if he’s valued/viewed to be that good a talent and was battling hard at the time to break into the team we signed mcfadz then batth. I’d say it’s a fair assumption he would have played quite a lot of games for rovers. And considering spurs wanted him then before moving actually playing a significant amount of games in the championship and performing then no doubt there would have been more suitors. But when you make a bad move then miss half a season and move to with all due respect Plymouth it sort of takes you out of the spotlight and I personally don’t think his stock as risen that much or he wouldn’t be going back to Stoke with the greatest respect to them. And as for spurs I’d be very surprised if he plays any first team football ever for them so on that basis minus training against Harry Kane for 4/5 months I think it’s been a poor move for him

They need to sign more and there is plenty of time to do so not sure what relevance the bookies have on things though. Outside of parachute payment teams they are guessing as much as the next person

So for the half a season he went without football was that a good thing? I don’t see how it was ready to break into the rovers team he is clearly a talent and given the injuries we have already seen to carter and Wharton there was a fair chance he would have played quite a lot meaning his stock would have risen. Moving to spurs to be pawned off to two relegation teams in the champ I strongly doubt was expected from him/or his agent with the likelihood of him moving on again next summer. So that will be rovers / spurs u21s / Plymouth / Stoke / whoever next in approx 3 seasons some players don’t have that many clubs in a lifetime let alone 3 seasons.

Disagree on the Phillips move was ready to break into rovers team and could have put himself in a position after a year or two for a better move spurs wasn’t the right move for him footballing wise competing with Romero van de ven dragusin dier etc wasn’t ever going to get that chance played half a season at plymoth then one at Stoke financially better off I suppose but footballing wise probably been a small downgrade

That’s why they are best judged at the end of this window but you are right of the season were to start this week o reckon they could struggle but I think they will do more business

This season is absolutely massive for them this window will determine how their season will play out hardie and windass two good signings feel they need more though

Stoke do this every year and every year they flatter to deceive

I wouldn’t say pretty clear because they haven’t played a competitive game for us yet so on paper possibly but in reality we don’t know yet Overall though still no rw in which is a concern for me we still need depth in cm and up top and obviously the contract situation still reeks so it’s not been great overall

The new striker who is already going to miss pre season and likely the first 5/6 games can only imagine the uproar on here if we did something like that

Yes ok i see I just assumed with his initial part saying they were miles off his wage demands why would rovers even be an issue in the first place

Why would rovers be difficult to work with when it comes to Dolan? He isn’t our player

I like Gueye he offers something different but the way Val wants to play from the off doesn’t overly suit him but he can change games is a handful and with a year behind him would like to see what this season brings for him