Just the four 'grand slam' belts isn't there? WBC, WBA, WBO, IBF?

Interesting stuff from colt, this has all the hallmarks of a relegation season from the 'rubber dinghy men' to the supposed kick offs from Givet et al with Kean. 

Main difference this time is half the team don't belong to us and don't care enough to even kick off.

Guthrie? He's from Shrewsbury, no?

When you are on a wretched run like Birmingham, the last 3 pressured games of the season (one of them away at your arch rivals) is a tough ask for any new manager, so who knows there may not be the fabled 'bounce'.

Saying that though they only need one win and we won't be catching them.

Harry Redknapp in at Birmingham...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39628280

I've probably said it before, but if anyone is after a great TV show- The Americans.

Into Season 5 now and it really is superb.

Agreed.

Though the fact we are even having a discussion in which we are comparing crowds and incomes with the likes of Chesterfield and Gillingham says it all. 

All of it is down to the last 7 years. And of course Blackburn Rovers are more of a name than Chesterbloodyfield, however I'm looking at it purely on income. 

Though we do contiue to pay big wages, so though we probably have a similar income to Barnsley, I would bet our wage bill is far higher- so in that sense we will perhaps be 'a draw' to players.

Just now, JHRover said:

 

Whatever gates we end up getting will be more to do with their 7 years+ of horrific mismanagement than a reflection of club size.

Of course it is, but 'true club size' is just an abstract concept and doesn't provide an income.

We will end up on Chesterfield sized gates, however a quick glance at their ST prices (up to £500) says we will actually be bringing in less revenue, with a gargantuan debt on top.

Total mess.

These owners have dragged us to new lows on a regular basis. So why not our actual lowest point- the 4th tier for the first time in our history.

Bolton made a decision to keep big earners like Wheater, Clough (till big money move in January) and Vela, obviously worked out for them.

Can you see the likes of Mulgrew still being here next season?

Wiith crowds of about 5/6000 and no owner input, we will simply be a mid ranking League 1 team.

Just think that through a moment and look at the clubs Venky's have made our peer group...

1		Sheffield United	445.667		21.222
2		Bradford City	379.874	21	18.089
3		Bolton Wanderers	302.658	21	14.412
4		Charlton Athletic	232.342	21	11.064
5		Milton Keynes Dons	209.598	21	9.981
6		Bristol Rovers	193.123	21	9.196
7		Millwall FC	191.395	21	9.114
8		Coventry City	190.782	21	9.085
9		Oxford United	173.906	21	8.281
10		Southend United	152.692	21	7.271
11		Swindon Town	146.302	21	6.967
12		Northampton Town	129.531	21	6.168
13		Gillingham FC	126.301	21	6.014
14		Chesterfield FC	125.172	21	5.961
15		Peterborough United	117.239	21	5.583
16		Shrewsbury Town	112.526	21	5.358
17		Walsall FC	102.172	20	5.109
18		Scunthorpe United	93.886	21	4.471
19		AFC Wimbledon	93.877	21	4.470
20		Port Vale FC	92.817	21	4.420
21		Oldham Athletic	88.161	21	4.198
22		Bury FC	78.394	21	3.733
23		Rochdale AFC	71.709	21	3.415
24		Fleetwood Town	66.851	21	3.183

Birmingham have gone on a horrendous run, just one more win from us at some point would have dragged them right into it.

Another lost opportunity.

I'd say Norwich away also. Go 2-1 up against 10 men and still throw it away.

Really enjoyed Manchester By the Sea.

Superbly acted.

I actually commented on Saturday that Emnes was apeing Tugay's departure routine.

The shin pads were off, a shake of the refs hand... hope it didn't lead to another minute of stoppage time being added on... 

The American definiiton of 'liberal' is different to the European definition. Probably closer to social democracy than what we know as liberalism. And I assume he means the Democratic party?

Anyway, back to the tunes...

I just can't get past the nagging feeling that he's been brought in too late.

In normal circumstances, a draw at Norwich? Not the end of the world, we played well by all accounts, the team is improving, however due to the lateness of the change, is it two points that we will rue in May?

There will be bumps along the way with a new appointment, but the right man will get his ideas across over the long run, however there is no margin for error when you are brought in at the end of February.

Owen fecking Coyle! The 'owners' should follow Brian Clough's advise and sack Cheston and whoever else was involved in that disastrous appointment too.

Not sure Greer is 'deadwood', decent back up. I doubt even he expected to be playing as often.

' “I have spoken to one gentleman", it was a very genial conversation,” Mowbray said of any contact with the club’s Indian owners. '

Some bloke in the Pune office, was it? 

Though saying that, me GF's Mum asked for a glass of white wine... they came back with Rose- though in true British spirit, she drank it anyway!

1 hour ago, Tom said:

Giving the Clogg another try at weekend, long time since I been and places seem to have overtaken it and left it behind a little. 

Went in a few Saturday's back, about 1pm. Was heaving.

I enjoyed it, though there is so much competiton now, can't afford to drop your standards.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/15118051.Quick_learners__Guthrie_gains__feel_good_factor___Burton_Albion_1_Blackburn_Rovers_1_Talking_Points/

Just have a read of the comments...

16 minutes ago, Phil T said:

I'm not sure how performances under Lambert, particularly towards the end of his stint, could have "boded well for the following season"! 

 

They didn't, towards the end of his stint it was obvious he was going (the fact he hadn't bothered moving out of his hotel was another giveaway).

Well I wasn't actually, I was more impressed with the overall performance, it all boded well for the following season. 

The Lambert era was a disappointment, the fella didn't want to be here, but comparing his 5 months with Bowyer's three seasons of failure (who was blessed with better players) is a tad unfair, no?