100 % true , Bucky . Our MP's can talk as tough as they want - but they don't have the final say anymore . Who elected this EU minister by the way....?

Manc . I don't think you've quite grasped that our Tash has a style all his own . An aquired taste you could say - a bit like Dali or some other talentless wonder . Lighten up a bit........

Yeah course it is jimbo ......

Unfortunately it happens all too often at the Rovers - how they get in the team God only knows....... (Nice avatar , whatsit..)

By the same arguement it would work on pickpockets. I don't suppose that you are suggesting that society executes pickpockets are you? Perhaps you are Colin , you've reached an all time low in utter stupidity in your posting history ; you now seem to regard child molesting as somehow being in the same criminal category as pickpocketing ! Say it aint so .......

I think we're all partly right on this one ! ARYAN : Word History: It is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, Indo-European peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, and India. Their tribal self-designation was a word reconstructed as *arya- or *rya-. The first of these is the form found in Iranian, as ultimately in the name of Iran itself (from Middle Persian rn (ahr), "(Land) of the Iranians," from the genitive plural of r, "Iranian"). The variant *rya- is found unchanged in Sanskrit, where it referred to the upper crust of ancient Indian society. These words became known to European scholars in the 18th century. The shifting of meaning that eventually led to the present-day sense started in the 1830s, when Friedrich Schlegel, a German scholar who was an important early Indo-Europeanist, came up with a theory that linked the Indo-Iranian words with the German word Ehre, "honor," and older Germanic names containing the element ario-, such as the Swiss warrior Ariovistus who was written about by Julius Caesar. Schlegel theorized that far from being just a designation of the Indo-Iranians, the word *arya- had in fact been what the Indo-Europeans called themselves, meaning something like "the honorable people." (This theory has since been called into question.) Thus "Aryan" came to be synonymous with "Indo-European," and in this sense entered the general scholarly consciousness of the day. Not much later, it was proposed that the original homeland of the Indo-Europeans had been in northern Europe. From this theory, it was but a small leap to think of the Aryans as having had a northern European physiotype. While these theories were playing themselves out, certain anti-Semitic scholars in Germany took to viewing the Jews in Germany as the main non-Aryan people because of their Semitic roots; a distinction thus arose in their minds between Jews and the "true Aryan" Germans, a distinction that later furnished unfortunate fodder for the racial theories of the Nazis.

Slurrppp..

I thought the term Aryan had its origins in India . Nothing to get offended by it just because Adolf used the term . He called himself German as well didn't he ..? What i always find strange is why whites are often described as Caucasion wherever they come from .

Because they are morons, and gullible, easily led morons at that. If that seems like a sweeping generalisation, well it probably is, but if you vote for the BNP you are a cretin of the highest order. Simple as. Superb analysis of why people have voted for the BNP up and down the country in both working class and even middle class areas . "Because they are morons......." . The extent of that analysis , Morph , persuades me that the drunken Rovers fan did his impersonation of an ape in front of the wrong person ! Have you ever considered other factors , such as an utter desperation on the part of the voters at the failure of the mainstream parties in any way to represent them ? Could it possibly be a protest vote against the incompetence and complacency of the 3 main parties in areas not just related to race but also of housing and crime for example ? Could it possibly be that there is indeed a truth in their perception that "minorities" (and in some areas they are NOT minorities) are getting more than a fair share of the cake ? And that when it comes to issues of law and order that the police do not pursue their enquiries as vigorously against Asians or Blacks ? Or are you so single minded that you won't even cotemplate the possibility? Maybe , as in Holland , there is the beginning of the realisation that the multi cultural experiment isn't working . Maybe those at the bottom end of the social scale are the first to realise that bacause they have to live with the realities of "positive discrimination" and mass immigration ; certainly the chattering classes in the suburbs will be the last to face the truth . Now I don't consider myself to be a "moron" - quite the opposite in fact - and I have never voted for the BNP but there are very good reasons for white working class people in areas such as Blackburn , Bradford , Burnley etc ad infintum , to turn away from Labour . This scumbag of a party know where the "bloc" vote comes from and that's where they divert the resources . Not just a perception , but fact . If you lived in a w/c area of b'burn for a decade or two I could guarantee that your analysis of why people vote for extremists might be a little less judgemental and a lot less sanctimonious . Well maybe .....

University Rule No 1 - Thou shalt conform at all times to the current trend of elitist thinking . (Reading matter - Hitler's Germany ; Mao's China ; Khomenei's Iran ; etc , etc ) University Rule No 2 - All individualist and politically non conformist thinking and actions must be stamped out by all means possible . ( Reading matter - Spanish Inquisition ; USA McCarthyism ; Europe Multi culturalism ) University Rule No 3 - Propoganda ; all is phoney .

I disagree , Jim , that the club is seen as racist in any way . Everyone I've spoken to has just regarded all this as a joke. They can see through all the PC nonsense . Mind you , I don't have much contact with the chattering classes edit bit - I've just seen your "empathise" bit ! I've never read so much garbage - and that includes the posts from such intellectuals as Scotty and Paul McGarry that I've unfortunately stumbled across today ! Let me tell you , Jimbo - one of the reasons I avoid the Blackburn End is to get away from no brain pi$$heads such as this alleged racist . Where do you sit BTW ?

But if you feel that the press are "rotten" Col , why go to any length at all to influence what they are going to write ? The fans should be HONEST . If they reckon Cole desrves cheering then fair enough . But FFS don't grovel to this corrupt bunch of clowns . Rise above it .

With all due respect , Jim doesn't have a good point . Inordinate cheering for Cole would only be pandering to the very forces (the media and the PC brigade) who have unfairly heeped such unwarranted disgrace upon the club over the last few days. It's no good complaining about these low life and then advocate sucking up to them in the hope that they'll give us a couple of lines of good "PR" . Personally I wouldn't cheer this overgrown kid if I was paid . Fair enough for those who rated him but to go overboard just because he's black is a form of racism in itself . Madness is taking over I tell you ......madness

Add sexism to the list of my PC crimes , Scotty .....

Well , for the first time in donkeys' years I have sympathy for the boys in blue - they've had to plough through this thread in the course of making their enquiries into a non existent crime against a total and utter excuse of a human being who is too weak minded to shrug his shoulders and get on with doing something more important with his life . And what's more the bizzies are no doubt thinking the same as most sensible people - that this is a total waste of their time . But yet they have to continue because the PC society we have had imposed on us demands "action" . Hopefully the brave custodians of the peace also noticed my earlier post in which I mentioned the many very real racist crimes that are prevelent in Blackburn - crimes in which people actually get hurt , ie not just their feelings . Maybe they'll get around to investigating them if their Chief Super decides it won't upset the natives . PS - Apologies to Scotty and Paul McGarry for posting something that they might not necessarily agree with . ( Go and have a lie down girls , I'm sure you'll get over it - in time ...)

What happens when the daughter asks what has happened to her grandad? "Don't worry I have killed him just for you" That would make everything ok! I have moved away from Blackburn but when I read the neanderthal like drivel written on here on topics such as race and crime, it makes me glad I have moved away. So you're implying that the grand daughter would be upset if the paedophile who had been molesting her were be put permanently out of harm's reach . I somehow think the opposite . You seem typical of the supposedly "educated elite" who think it's progressive to put the criminals' interests in front of those of the victims . Thank goodness I never had the benefit of a uni' education..... Leeds eh ...?

So the bottom line is that one person was ejected . This one person has not conclusively - in my reading of this entire thread at least - been linked with anything of a racial nature at all . Nobody heard him say anything and the Sky pictures seem to be ambiguous (although not being a Murdoch subscriber I personally haven't seen them !) And yet we now have the world's media , or so it seems , camped out at Ewood building up this non story . We even have the Chief Superintendent of Lancashire - no less - taking a personal interest in the "case" , meeting with Williams and issuing sanctimonious statements about possible criminal proceedings . Absolute and total b@llox from start to finish and a wonderful illustration of a crazy society's obsession with appeasing the sensitivities of so called minorities. We're even willing to play along with fictitious and non existent "crimes" in the clamour to prove how "liberal" minded we all are . The fact of the matter is that nothing of any note happened at Ewood yesterday (off the pitch ). On a vastly more serious note I have to wonder if this Chief Superintendent has taken a personal interest of the very real racist crimes that have been afflicting Blackburn in recent months - crimes in which the victims have suffered slightly more than having a w*nker sign flashed at them....

Interesting article , Colin , about how gullible some do gooders are when they are dealing with these most manipulative of criminals . Mind you , if myself and a few like minded persons from the real world were to volunteer to be part of the pervert's new found "family" , I reckon I could guarantee with absolute certainty that he wouldn't re offend !! Maybe the state should do likewise - after all , dead men can't re offend at all ......

Interesting piece in tonight's LET (Thursday) : "Sex attack on girl, 15 A 15-YEAR-OLD schoolgirl was subjected to a serious sex attack as she walked home yesterday teatime. The incident has prompted police to advise women not to walk alone and to carry torches and attack alarms when out after dark. The teenager was attacked in bushes close to Roe Lee Park at around 4.30pm in what police today described as the latest in a line of similar attacks across Blackburn. The girl told detectives she was attacked by an Asian man who had begun walking close to her while she was on Whalley New Road. After tracking her along Ruby Street and Cornelia Street, he began walking next to her along Towpath Street before overtaking her as they approached Roe Lee Park Road. He then stood in the entrance of Roe Lee Park, before pulling the girl into bushes and putting his hands up her skirt. The girl kicked him between the legs and screamed and the man ran off. Insp Steve Haworth, of Blackburn Police, said: "The teenager did all the right things and fortunately she wasn't badly harmed. "This isn't the first attack like this to have occurred in Blackburn in recent months so we would urge women walking by themselves to take precautions." The schoolgirl described her attacker as a light-skinned Asian man in his late 20s who was about 5ft 10ins to 6ft tall. His voice was low and he spoke with broken English. He had a distinctive thin moustache running round his mouth." "The latest in a line of similar attacks " our esteemed local paper reports . Strange ; this is the first I've heard and I keep my ears open on subjects like this . Could it be that such incidents are being kept quiet ? A bit like the recent beatings and stabbings by Asians that were only seriously reported after about seven attacks or more and after two lives were nearly lost ? Maybe a Stephen Larwence type enquiry should be launched - but in Blair's Britain I fear that such enquiries only apply to the "minorities" . Justice does not apply equally it seems if you're white and working class and the perpetrators are "ethnic". Now I'm sure that a lot of people will deny these are racist crimes (the usual suspects I presume who refuse to believe our Asian/Muslim brethren are capable of any racist crimes ) but I would suggest that Blackburn is already in the grip of endemic racism of the kind that can be found in many towns across the North - all towns where (surprise , surprise ) there are large Asian/Muslim communities . Some brave politicians (all too few I'm afraid ) , and in particular the Labour MP Ann Cryer , have drawn attention in recent times to the medieval customs of some of our Asian compatriats with regard to their own women (forced marriages , domestic violence , re-education on the sub continent for those deemed too westernised etc) , and increasingly now to the indigenous women , many of whom are groomed from an early age to be merely sexual play things for young Asians who are contemptuous of the law enforcers who in turn are fearful of the "racist" witch hunt that would inevitably be unleashed upon them if they try and apply the law to Asian/Muslims . Mrs Cryer - whose views are well known to those of us who are willing to condemn racism from whichever direction it emnates - is now in an unenviable position . Should she continue her brave stance against Islamic corruption and child abuse ? Or should she learn the lesson of Pym Forteyn and Van Gogh in Holland , keep her mouth shut , and save not just her career but maybe even her life ....?

A sub 20,000 crowd then...

Really ? How many of us will truly be walking down to Ewood when we're in our 60's and 70's (God willing) ? I'd suggest it will be very , very few of us , a tiny percentage - and it's down to "professionalism" and "business" decisions like this that have an acumulative effect on the punters. I'm only in my early 40's but if I weren't taking my 2 lads with me , then this could very well have been the final straw . It was so bloody unnecessary . Hughes could have rendered Parkes' position at the club to virtually nothing whilst still keeping him there in some capacity . Those who say it was just bad PR are missing the point . USA Blue - and presumably those who voted for "undecided" in the poll - seem to suggest that if results improve we'll all be happy with the sacking . Well that's not true for many of us ; this will leave a bad taste in the mouth for years to come , regardless . Williams has no credibility left for me . And if results don't improve then I dread to think of the implications for next year's season ticket sales . A big gamble for Hughes and Williams - and a needlessly stupid one .

For the first time in many months I'm actually quite confident that we'll win this one Rovers 3 , Brummies 0 Stead to get off the mark .

Sentimental or not SG194 , they are Rovers fans and they are entitled to withdraw their custom anytime they want . We aren't in the position of many clubs who can run roughshod over their fans in the knowledge that there are others who will replace them . That's why the decision to axe Parkes isn't just heartless , it's bloody stupid as well . Money isn't the issue ; it's the way a long standing employee has been treated by lesser men. For the first time ever I fully agree with a Guardian column . I'll be agreeing with Colin next......

Well , not when he's next to Amaruso anyway , Bryan ....

That's a fair point ...