5 hours ago, Moptop1 said:

One day something will come to light. Then the house of cards will fall.

Then watch them and all involved crumble. 

I hope that day comes sooner than later and we can rebuild some sort of normality as a Club.

Well i've been saying that for a decade and something finally did in terms of the funds being used for houses and pop stars instead of the club.

I'm certain there is loads more but that will be well buried now and nobody will investigate it anyway this has only come to light because of a miffed govt in India.  They've only scratched the surface and will only be interested in anything that looks like they've been evading tax so it'll probably blow over eventually.

Then we'll be left with much reduced funding due to the 20% levy so league 1 we are coming whether it's now or in the near future.

32 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Why is it pathetic and small minded?

The lad has been at Rovers since he was 12 years old and is looking forward to seeing old friends on his return (his words), yet he demanded the clause in his contract that allowed him to be sold for well under his market value.

Why would I cheer him? He's shafted the club that I support. He couldn't wait to leave. 

I see where you're coming from but he did sign a contract which enabled Rovers to get a fee plus add ons.

He could have walked 12 months earlier for minimum compensation so he obviously wasn't that eager to leave until there was something he probably couldn't turn down financially.

Booing him is petty, best just to treat him with silence.

59 minutes ago, lraC said:

I know people are reluctant to believe it, but it is possible for so much to have been made that pumping in millions per season, may still mean a tidy profit has been made.

People are asking why the owners are carrying on regardless when they seem to be getting nothing out of it. As we know a statement has been made this very week, to say they have no plans to sell and are here for the long haul.

Until is is proved otherwise my view will always be, that they are hiding something. 

I still think the reason they carry the club now is because it sits comfortably in the VH group portfolio soaking up a lump of spare money some of which goes through the pipes elsewhere.  That has kind of been proven with what's going on now over there with the investigations etc.

Don't think that's why they bought it but that is what it became and as for betting i think if that goes on it's just a nice little perk from owning their plaything.

In the early days though i very much think some involved were in it for that very reason.

33 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Pretty pathetic and small minded  if he does.

Which is why Wharton’s move was a sensible one. A smaller Premier League club, but with a realistic chance of regular game time.

I still think people need to put themselves in the player’s shoes, though, when weighing up a big career decision like that.

They may say otherwise, but the vast majority of people would make the same decision that Phillips did.

Teams like Spuds have been known to throw in cars, penthouses, jobs for family arranged etc when luring young players plus there is London to play around in during their downtime.

It's a heady brew when plonked in front of a young lad from a small town club.

Philips it was probably hard to turn down going from a few grand a week to about ten plus whatever other incentives a club like Spurs throw into a young player package.

However from a football perspective it was a bit stupid given that here he'd have been maybe a 1st choice starter now or not far off form permitting.  Games under his belt in the Championship = bigger transfer fee, bigger initial wages and more chance of being a Prem starter.

As it is it's Plymouth this year for him then probably Hull or Qpr next season.

It's like hes been tared and feathered as straight out of the Kean/Coyle stable of ####s just installed here by a third party to do their dirty work.

A bit too early to be marking him down like that imo.

Trying to portray him as a hate figure is pathetic to be honest he's just another run of the mill British coach walking into a mess and trying to stabilise it using his previous trusted methods.  No different to anyone else walking in just like when Mowbray did and if it wasn't him it'd be someone of very similar ilk.

Not saying i'm impressed or a huge fan but i can at least see where it all stems from and the much wider issues he's dealing with and after a few weeks he shouldn't have to fight fans as well, all he's doing is trying to pacify everybody and that's understandable.

We are likely stuck with him whatever happens now so no point doing anything other than backing him in the next few games at least.

There is way too much hate floating around for this guy hes only been here 5 mins.

I get the frustration at the football and lack of wins but it's 2  wins in 18 and that tells you the story here better than any managerial soundbites.  He's here to try and keep us up so we need to lay off him and stick to the real causes of this mess don't fall into the trap, he's just another human shield they've thrown up to protect themselves.

Had the fans not started kicking off i'm sure they'd have made JDT stick it out unless he or someone else bought out his contract. Only reason this happened all so quickly is because the fans, guided by JDTS comments, turned the heat up on the Shadowman and the Fat controller.

Don't kid yourselves otherwise, the whole mess is down to those 2 and that 4 over in India.

People in doubt this can have any sort of benefit need to read the many various articles out there based on fact not conspiracy.

That doesn't mean it's happening in our case but to just brush it off as nonsense or not worth it for anyone to do it is really naive.

3 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Well, clearly, we would have already been safe with Kaminski. I just hope the transfer fee compensates for all the lost revenue on relegation..Oh, wait....

Come summer we could well have sold 30 mill + of talent if Szmodics goes so some down there will proclaim the new 'model' is working.

Relegation is just a blip they couldn't care less if the bills are paid and commission and bonuses come through. Last time we went down it followed about 30 mill of sales with no reinvestment so i find it very hard to accept they don't know the risks they've created.

Last time Mowbray was given about 1.5 million to spend in lge 1 so don't be surprised if the idiots think it'll be that simple second time around.

11 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Eustace has played at least 3 formations already during his time here. He's clearly not wedded to a style of football (at least not one that I can make out).

Right now it's backs-to-the-wall football. I gather at Kidderminster and Birmingham City (at least this season) it was much more progressive football. 

Like iv'e said most managers of his ilk would just do the same and just tighten up and not look to stretch or take risks and that's before you take into account injuries, knocks, poor keepers.

TM did it, Lambert did it but got Graham in to run channels, Neil would do it if he'd have come or Ainsworth or any number of others.  The sheer lack of bodies, quality and fatigue are also playing a massive part in how Eustace has to approach it at the min although at some point he'll simply have to take the shackles off and go for risk/reward.

Looking at the goal we did let in v Millwall i'm certain had we been more open and attacking we'd have lost that game by 2 or 3 scored on the break.

6 minutes ago, DE. said:

I never really got a 'puppet' vibe from Mowbray. He was self-indulgent, came out with some really ridiculous comments ("I don't look at the league table") and was a bit dull... but it was obvious he had his own way of looking at the team and at football as a whole, regardless of whether we agreed with it or not.

Eustace just spouts clichés and comes across as not being genuine in what he's saying. It's a pretty sharp reversal from JDT which makes the whiplash even worse. That's no comment on Eustace's ability, that remains to be seen, but what I've seen and heard thus far doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Obviously hope he proves me wrong - if so what he says in the media is irrelevant to me, short of praising Burnley or Venky's. 

Mowbray, Venus and Swag led a charmed life for a number of years though owing to that promotion and it looked as though they were just left to get on with it.

He covered for the owners when he had to and he received some good backing for a few years so it was pretty much a cakewalk for them that's why he was so bitter and gave up when the end was in sight.  In truth he made it more about himself as time went on but then unfathomably didn't want to shoulder any accountability when it wasn't going well.

He didn't roast the 'conduit' and CEO when he should have though which kind of says everything, towards the end it was just 'the owners have their own issues to deal with in India' - (he obviously knew what was coming) and 'you'll have to speak to my CEO about that'

TM has played the game a long time.

1 hour ago, broadsword said:

Btw, if the club was valued at £23m when we were in the prem, Jesus, What's the value now?

 

£1?

Consider not long after Jones was sold for 16 mill before add ons, Kalinic went for 6 mill and Samba eventually for about 12 mill to pay off the Barclays overdraft.

I'm convinced they got their buying price back pretty quickly.

21 minutes ago, Blow-in said:

He looked like a 10 year old trying to make a save look spectacular.

 

Lads who weren't keepers but did a turn in goal on our Weds 7 a side used to dive like that.

Ok it was well struck and maybe he didn't see it but the old 'make yourself big at all times' seems to be out the window these days.  

58 minutes ago, broadsword said:

Not sure about that.

 

From what I remember under the trust, our o/d with Barclays was running at a steady twenty mill

 

They'd paid it down though selling Bentley i think it was around 10 mill when the club was sold plus there was another 3 million loan from the Walker Trust.

I thought it was 23 mill, 10 mill for immediate debt then 10 mill to be injected straight away to cover running costs ?

Next season is going to be a really really tough sell.

Not sure how many more blind alleys i can be bothered with as even when things went well for a short spell there was clearly no intention of promotion.

50 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

This game has no importance.

Tuesday the wankers are in court.

Hopefully they get told to fuck off in Indian legal terms. Bringing administration closer.

Nothing matters until they are banished forever.

It'll never happen they'll just arrange some high interest loan against the remaining Wharton instalments then sell what they can in summer.

They've winged it ever since they walked through the door that's why we are in the mess we are and it'll never change.

1 hour ago, DeeCee said:

With Leo in goal I'd play a back nine.

You could play 2 Leos in one goal and we'd still concede iv'e never seen such an odd keeper diving for the ball, flaps well fair enough many young keepers in this era have that problem but backflips are a new thing.

Millwall fans gripes mirror these on here, Harris is too dour and negative, hope he's just here to keep us up then replace him, we show zero intent to attack a poor team, stop messing about with it at the back it cost a goal again last night...

So on and so forth.

Championship football in other words.

It will always be impossible whilst these lot own the club and have their puppets running it.

Money or no money it's always the same and we've seen both extremes under their ownership.

It's pathetic to put it politely.

4 hours ago, martonrover said:

Exactly.

League One is much stronger now.

We might even have fellow development club, Crewe, in the same division.

They will probably be about our level.

They've become our feeder club but it'll probably end up the other way round before long.

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

I'm surprised he's not being criticised for the goal - he was loafing back there. Didn't even try to get his foot in to block the shot.

Precisely why he should keep his concentration on the game, the guy knows hes been poor this season and a limp captain on the pitch.

That's why he seems fixated on trying to spin blame onto fans and the fact he must have seen it all before at Coventry makes his actions and comments more odd, he knows how it all works and knows why people are fed up. Then again maybe he was only there during their upwards trajectory i'm not sure.

Whilst iv'e seen nothing other than the basics being restored in defence which is pretty standard for any British coach the other side of the coin is we could have had a guy come in to dominate possession every game, play a higher line, look prettier....and lost the last two 1-0.

We've seen that before.

Rule of thumb under this ownership is it could always be worse.

16 hours ago, tomphil said:

Fully expecting these two coaches rather negative must not lose tactics to cancel each other out.  We fully need someone to pull something out the bag tonight to make the difference imo.

I'll be amazed if it doesn't finish 1-1 and see a sub 11k gate.

Well got the gate slightly wrong but the rest came to pass pretty much as expected.

We needed the keeper to perform above himself but one shot one goal, we needed Sammie to be Sammie and he was.

Beyond all that i do have a modicum of sympathy for Eustace we have to remember what hes walked into and all this talk of no wins, new gaffer bounce etc it doesn't surprise me whats happened.  First job for any guy coming in is tighten up at the back and make us harder to beat and hes done that. In such a limited squad that takes something away from the attacking side naturally and we have zero quality to unlock tight teams or score set pieces.

Last night you have the ropey rookie back in goal who you need to protect, a slow back line led by a 37 year old so that needs protecting tactics wise as well.  And a team come to park the bus with little intent to do anything other than protect the point so a difficult mix and nothing we haven't seen before at the business end of the season.

Eustace isn't a magician guys although taking short corners in 94th min with no intention was pathetic and deserved every moan it got. 

I expect it'll all go through and just enough to see us through to summer will be made available.  Next date will be set for well into next season so liquidating more assets and more cuts with have to be done to see us through to next Oct'ish.

Death by many cuts when a lot would prefer a clean cold one chop job and just get it over with.