Final result tonight changes nothing for we whatever it is. Wretched stuff yet again and relying on a 17 year old loanee or just praying for Armstrong to do something. Rubbish.

Absolute no brainer but the cartel inside Ewood will be closing ranks again. Besides No brains owns our outfit so it's a non starter

Because this manager and his pals contrived to blow 5 million and about 20 grand a week on him. Muppets.

Plenty time yet.....

Sustitutions And concede...........

Where is this vibrant front foot team he was blathering on about along with a top 6 challenge ? Same old same old Mowbray turgid revert to type stuff.

Glass ceiling.

Can't really do anything about the pitch it just buckets down day after day night after night. THat however isn't the reason we are crap again we are just a dull slow starting team unless someone plunders an early goal. Another thing synonymous with this manager.

It's ok we'll cane them because our budget is bigger than theirs. That's how it works no ?

And that is when we'll end up with another Coyle. Every season we don't sell good players is one we should be pushing on as hard as possible.

Depends on the circumstances but like I said the other day, these lot and their pals could offer up worse.

You'd be surprised what he could do with what would be at his disposal.

Score first and don't concede straight away and we are usually onto a comfortable win.

I know people assume certain things about Keane but is there much actual evidence he's such a t**t ?

He's said he rotated according to opposition not because someone was tired. But regardless of that surely you stick with what is best first and foremost then change if needed. He's just doing what he always does and always has there is no new unique reason for it. The reason is just his normal methods of keeping everyone involved and keeping everyone onside in his camp regardless of results. We've seen it enough now even those with Mowbray shaped spectacles should be cottoning on.

Changing center halves round at midtable championship level according to opposition 🙄 Never heard anything as over complicated since i heard it last season about the right back position ! Anyone wondering why we never get consistency needs to look no further than this type of thing. Despite what he might say this man does not want a solid moulded first 11 he wants interchangeable players in nearly every position. And change them he will. Keep everyone happy on the good ship Tony.

Yes he was another in the big Al mode a true English center forward, strong and direct but could do a bit of everything.

You never know though because they are a starry eyed bunch and he is a big name. They'd probably relish being associated with something like that and maybe he'd get the big backing.

I think to be serious we need 4 proper center halves with the first choice 2 being good ones. That might see imo Lenihen as no 3 but all this Williams etc is good back up is precisely why we keep struggling. Not singling him out but he always ends up playing a key role yet in truth he isn't good and neither is Darragh. They are just 'alright' and that's the whole problem at Ewood, just alright will do. Well sadly it won't if you want promotion, there are key areas need genuine improvement. The center back berths are 2 of those but we keep making do where we can. Ayala should prove to be an upgrade but he's another we'll struggle to get a big run of games from probably so we are back to relying on the back up. Just look at the difference a good keeper has made, i'd wager good defenders would have another significant impact on it.

The question is though is Lenihen actually good enough or competent enough over a season to build a promotion push on ? Add in is Williams also ? Because this is what we keep coming back to, both have played big parts in previous seasons. In a defense that continues to never really improve. If you want to improve you have to make big decisions and sometimes that means trying to get better than anyone who isn't really good. No position should be immune to improvement.

After the early chaos we've had what ? 4 managers since 2013 from when Bowyer stepped in ? 2 in the middle were only short term and one of those was by his own choice. So this one has been here 3+ years and the first of the others just a bit less. That's hardly chopping and changing managers by a few clubs standards. Change in football is inevitable it's par for the course.

Roy Keane is an enigma style manager but so was Souness. He'd either come in and drive a rocket up the place and we might have a spectacular short ride upwards. Or overnight it would turn to shite and we'd still end up midtable. For all the fear of could do worse than Mowbray i don't feel Kean would be the worst appointment a crew like Venkys could make. Not sure what that says though.

Pound for pound he's the best backed Rovers manager since Hughes. I'd go as far as saying he's one of the best backed in the division. That is taking everything into account not just budget as he pretty much seems to get the green light for anything he wants around the place. Been safe as houses despite some terrible runs and crap football and falling crowds. Then the cherry on top of no forced sales. That must be totally unique at modern day Rovers.

That just sums it all up for me though with his tenure over the past few years. The performance was 'alright', we nearly got something so that's alright and we are in an alright position in the league. That exact mentality is what will have us in the middle for eternity whilst him and his pals earn hundreds of thousands per year for being just 'alright'. I think the ownership and a large lump of fans had got that used to things being not alright that just alright will now do, forever. He's on an absolute doddle here and he knows it.

His narrative is changing now as predicted as the season rolls on and the weaknesses show up. I wouldn't bother normally as all managers have to find excuses to waffle about but dragging lge 1 into it has got my back up. Two and a half years ago ffs ! That's a long time in football and we were only there 1 season - with a championship wage budget, crowds and structure - we aren't a league 1 club trying to get established in the Championship for the first time in a decade. This guys repeated bullshit is getting annoying now.