I'll agree up to a point, we need promotion at some point and if we were lucky enough to achieve that it wouldn't particularly matter what the style of football was. Once you go up however you need more than that these days imo. It would be nice to have such problems to worry about I guess.

It seems more likely to me that it's a a fictitious "stick" made up to beat the owners with and absolve Mowbray from any responsibility.

Scott Dann

But there's absolutely no evidence to back this claim up?

I could never understand people's reticence about maybe having to pay a couple of million for him when we were first linked with him. Everyone seemed to think we shouldn't go over about 500k but if the lad is at the age he's at and is as good as we presumably thought then 2m is an absolute snip in today's market. From the Club's point of view our pursuit of him turned into an absolute farce with us fluttering our eyelashes at him for 12 months then getting gazumped at the last hurdle after Tony gave him the spiel about him not coming in as a guaranteed starter and having to displace others already here. If he's the player you really want, pay the money and get him in. We should have had him tied up long before Preston even got involved. Then again, every transfer window has been an absolute car crash since Waggott joined the Club, not sure if it's more down to him, Mowbray or Venus who for some completely unknown reason is now involved with negotiating the contracts. Probably a combination of all three.

If we don't get rid of Mowbray we'll go down. May limp narrowly to safety this season, may not, but if not it'll happen next season or the one after. So I would flip your argument round and say if you know you're going to ultimately fail under this manager, why would you bother hanging onto him? The sooner he goes and you take your chances elsewhere the better.

I doubt anyone would ever undertake that role again as many times as Parkes but right here right now who knows? We desperately need an injection of new ideas and enthusiasm from somewhere and we'll never know if we never give him the chance.

The fact that the powers that be might appoint someone worse should never be used as an excuse for keeping someone who is failing miserably in situ. If you take that attitude you'd barely ever have a change of manager and if we hadn't pulled the plug on managers in the past we'd never have enjoyed success under the likes of Furphy, Lee, Kendall, Dalglish, Souness (temporarily) Hughes etc. I'm not sure who the current owners would replace him with were he to be replaced. Probably someone currently out of work but the obvious short term option would be to give it to Damien Johnson on a short term basis and see how he goes. Let's face it, he could hardly do any worse.

Apparently he said today after the game "Leeds didn't have hundreds of shots" No Tony, they had 15. What the hell is he on about? Is it just me or is he talking absolute cobblers? Should have been replaced in Feb and nothing has changed.

Another narrow defeat which by the sounds of it could have been way worse in the second half but which will no doubt be painted as another hard luck story due to the controversial penalty etc. Hate to say it but I'm almost at the stage where I think we need a couple of 5-0 gubbings to concentrate the owners' minds. Horrible to have to think that way but it's as plain as day we're only going one way under Mowbray. Can anyone explain why you would possibly bring Evan's on for Holtby at 2-1 down? It's almost like Mowbray is deliberately thumbing his nose up at the supporters.

I suspect you're right about him not being under imminent pressure from the owners and to me it's the most depressing thought imaginable. For me there isn't a snow ball's chance in hell that we'll ever challenge for promotion or enjoy any success whilst he is in charge. Yet he keeps pulling out the odd win or two whenever it looks like we're going to sink into really serious trouble and his position might come under scrutiny but as soon as we look a bit more secure and hopeful of pushing on we embark on another bad run taking us to just above crisis point again. Rinse and repeat.

Yep, I think we all hope this will be a genuine turning point and we can go on the Villa type run that Mowbray has been on about but will it merely prove to be an aberration that keeps him limping along a bit longer? We'll soon see I guess.

My thought as well. Being informed about it early in advance does not make being ripped off any more palatable or acceptable. I also agree with Matt's point above. £45 might be deemed good value to watch a competitive Rovers side face off against City or Liverpool in the Premier League. For a humdrum Championship fixture with us struggling in 17th position it's absolutely barking.

Good point well made.

Whatever the precise offence was I'm sure it was something where he would have known full well he should not have been driving and not an innocent mistake. Nevertheless my point I was driving at was whether or not our attitude was slightly one of "Sack -em! - unless it's one of our own players!"

That article made my blood boil. Every manager should have promotion as their goal, that should be a given not an amazing plus point in Mowbray's favour. He goes on about not wanting to be a manager who clogs up the middle of the table yet in the next breath he says it may not happen today or tomorrow but we have to look for incremental improvements -thereby totally contradicting himself and trying to con the owners into thinking being crap is all part of the five year plan so that by the time they realise we're making no progress whatsoever, TM/Venus/Waggott at al will be financially well set. Then he throws in a completely gratuitous reference to his family. I can't criticise him for being a devoted family man but he's blatantly just trying to pull on the owners' heartstrings there knowing they have always made a big thing about the importance of family themselves. Finally he insults everyone's intelligence by suggesting we could go on a run like Villa did even though with the exception of the start of last season we have been displaying relegation form over the last 42 or 43 games. Get rid now. I want a manager who delivers a genuine promotion challenge not one who talks about it happening in the distant future to try and appease the owners and keep himself in a job from a position near the bottom of the table.

My initial recollection was that he was convicted of driving with excess alcohol because I remember posting on here about why one earth he couldn't afford a driver with the money he must be on. You might be more or less right though in that it could have been driving whilst disqualified having been previously banned for not having a valid licence. I can't see much distinction between the offences, my point was that no-one back then (myself included) wanted him sacked and I wondered if we were being a bit hypocritical when it came to our own players.

It is patronising when you go "Really?" thereby implying the poster has said something absurd. And you do it quite a bit.

Ha very good! Lies damn lies and statistics. That stat doesn't mean anything if you're keeping a clean sheet one game then shipping three or four the next. Here's some more stats: We've conceded 21 goals from fourteen games so far this season. Exactly 1.5 goals per game. Last season we conceded 69 goals from 46 games, again exactly 1.5 goals per game. Only four Clubs have conceded more than our 21 goals so far this season and we've conceded 2 goals or more in seven or half of our fourteen games. By way of contrast Brentford with Raya in the nets have conceded nine less on 12 - the fourth best in the division. You can manipulate stats to prove almost anything you want. I don't need to dig up some fluke statistic to tell me Walton is crap, I can see that with my own eyes. He's like a more error strewn version of Jason Steele - neither stop anything of note and Walton chucks in more glaring errors.

How does signing Rooney enable them to bypass the rules on advertising betting companies?

So should we have sacked Mokoena when he got done for drink driving whilst playing for us? Don't remember anyone clamouring for that to happen at the time tbh.

Exactly that and rightly so. Can't see why anyone is querying it. The Club have done nothing wrong and should have the option of holding the other two to their contracts or cutting them adrift.

Beat me to it.

Very good. ? I agree btw.

No - one's answered my question from before. What if one of the uninjured players had been worth £100m? Would the Club be similarly expected to just write £100m off for something that is in no way their fault? It sounds fine in theory but it's an impossibly high moral bar to adhere to in the real world.