Kaminsky a lucky boy there. Woeful keeping.

Mowbray actually looked pissed off Rothwell had produced such a magical moment so out of keeping with the rest of the game.

The goal was somewhat out of the blue but in general we've been absolutely dire as well. One shot "on target" Armstrong's pea-roller from outside the box? If Kaminsky goes for that shot with his right arm instead of the wrong arm he makes a relatively routine save imo. Gallagher is so bad it's embarrassing. It's like the manager is deliberately trying to **** us off now. **** off Tony.

Agreed. Who everyone seemed to want to offload without giving him a chance.

Well, even if he is doing that, it doesn't seem to be doing us a great deal of good in terms of securing contract extensions for our better players. If he did retire at the end of next season it would probably be on the back of reducing our core fan base from 10k to 2.5k, letting Nyambe walk on a free and failing to secure the long term futures of Dack/Travis/Armstrong etc

You do jest surely! He took the probably unprecedented step of raising prices during a pandemic when it looked likely fans wouldn't be allowed in for a large part of the season! Taking the **** doesn't even begin to describe it. If he is based in London that is absolutely appalling as well. The very least he could do for his £300k p.a. is move up here. The only bit I agree with is that I can't see him retiring any time soon, he's got it far too good. Like Mowbray we're probably stuck with him for the foreseeable. People were ripping the owners off as soon as they came through the door ten years ago and it seems nothing much has changed.

Don't give him any ideas.

Would probably stick him on the LW.

You make some fair points but I would say that it was as inevitable as night follows day that Warnock would turn Boro roundand get them in the mix almost instantly. Like him or loathe him Warnock is a manager who knows what he's doing and what is required. Unlike ours who either doesn't know what is required or quite simply doesn't care as long as he can string things out for a while with tales of "slow builds". My main surprise is actually the lack of impact Hughton is having at Forest.

I normally respect your contributions even when we don't agree but we'll have to agree to disagree big style on this! 🙂 I don't think he has any aerial ability at all. He's 6 ft 5 and jumps about 5 ft 10 and for such a big physical specimen is extremely weak in the challenge. Nor do I think "occupying the wing area" is an attribute. I agree with you that I always said I could see a glimpse of a player trying to get out with BB. I've never had that sense with SG and still don't. I thought he was ordinary first time round, has now lost most of his mobility, and has regressed dramatically.

Agreed. Apparently though that thinking only applies to players, we can't possibly ask any other manager if they would like to manage us as no-one could possibly ever be interested!

Not really sure where you're coming from apart from taking a contrary point of view. If the owners really wanted to spend several million pounds a year hiring either of the above they could easily afford to do so and if you lost Mulgrew Bennett and Evans off the wage bill that would more or less cover the cost. The problem is they have seemingly never really understood the importance of the manager and probably think it's just a "coach" that stands on the side of the pitch setting the team up. A job anyone could do, hence replacing Allardyce with Kean and since then plumping for cheaper (potentially) up and coming or out of work managers - as was Mowbray.

Kaminsky - massive upgrade on Walton but then anyone would be. Not convinced he's as good as Raya but good signing 8/10. Pears - looks poor. 3/10. Greek keeper - what's the point? Impossible to rate. Douglas - extremely disappointing given all the hype before he arrived. Looks a busted flush and not as good as Bell on current evidence. 3/10 Ayala - good when he plays but is his heart in it? My mate's son says Boro fans reckon he always used to go AWOL around Christmas. 7/10. Trybull - completely pointless player and signing imo. No wonder Norwich wanted him off the wage bill. 3/10. Downing - another completely pointless signing and waste of a wage 4/10 Dolan - cracking player and signing, a real bonus. The manager seems to be doing his level best to marginalise and ruin him right now. 8/10 Elliott 9/10 obviously a great talent but like Tosin before him not our player so we have to take advantage of our talented loanees for the time we have them otherwise ultimately whilst the player might do very well individually, unless we get promoted the signing can't be viewed as a particular success from the Club's point of view, it's just dead money and you're back to square one the following season. So two or three real successes in there, pretty good by Mowbray's standards considering how poor he has been in the market prior to that. Despite the upgrade in personnel however, he is still unable to get any sort of consistent tune out of the team.

Didnt realise everyone was.

Lazy argument. Bilic, Pearson. There's 2. Pay them enough, they will come. One of the owners main problems has been that whilst they don't seem to mind their money being wasted on most things, they have never really with the possible exception of Lambert invested heavily in probably the most important man at the Club, the manager. Hence the reason we're now stuck in permanent no-man's land (at best) with Gary Bowyer Mark 2.

Lot of revisionism here trying to make out that Gallagher would be ok put in the middle. He isn't very good, never has been very good and never will be very good. As I said above when he was here the first time round his main attribute was his willingness and his ability to run the channels all day and make a nuisance of himself but since bulking up seems to have lost that and he has no strikers instinct or anticipation whatsoever. It's utter lunacy to even contemplate shoving a guy who is averaging three goals every four games out wide to accommodate him. Gallagher is a poor player who Mowbray wasted £5m on because he knew him and liked him. End of.

Not listened to the podcast, but I said repeatedly at the time he was here Marshall stunk the place out with his attitude and this would seem to confirm it.

Not watched the clip but my impression is he has bulked up and lost his athleticism and mobility since his first spell. In terms of ability he looked like an ordinary perennial 5-10 goal a season player I thought. Certainly never worth £5m in a month of Sundays.

Talk about formations, personnel, injuries is fairly superfluous really. We'll always underperform no matter who's available or who plays where whilst this manager is in charge. Until we get a manager who is more tactically astute and/or demands more from them in terms of performance we're going nowhere. The players know that Mowbray won't be that upset if they don't perform that well hence there is no desire, killer instinct, urgency, or will to win. The only imperative is that is if it looks like we're going to drop into trouble at the wrong end of the table they have to pull their finger out for a couple of weeks or so until we're back in the comfort zone.

I'm pretty certain he was on 15k p.w. last season from what I've been told. I doubt there's any way whatsoever he's only on £5k p.w this season, that's just a pure guesstimate Phil has plucked out of thin air. Didn't think he was very good when he came on yesterday, merely contributed to us being slow, ponderous and predictable with our passing. But what's another 500k or so a year when it's not your own money you're wasting and the owners are multi billionaires? (supposedly)

Why on earth would he sign a new one? Frequently left out for Bennett and JRC in the past (neither of whom are fit to lace his boots) and sacrificed for Buckley of all people today.

Looks like they already have. If we hadn't nicked the fortuitous victory midweek this would be a quite horrific run.

I'd prefer Bilic's brother.

Well, did everything except get a shot on target!

Got the subs spot on for once imo. We'll see what happens. Not like we were winning with the starting line up on the pitch.