I think you have to be quite controversial and illogical to be thankful for Venkys for merely not letting us go out of business, thats a bloody low bar. Especially after all of the shit theyve put us through.

Not very difficult but not very fair either, especially within families. That being said, I cant think of any ways of doing it bar first come first served so lets hope that demand is lower than the limited capacity!

I cant say ive seen anything on here that has made me "feel bad for" Bennett at all. Nothing for example that was any more critical than your fairly regular criticism of Chapman even when hes not playing and Gallagher when he is. Not that I have a problem with that by the way. If you feel that the inclusion of a player especially in a specifically uncomfortable position reduces our chances of winning, youve come to the right place on an internet messageboard to state it. And even though you havent specifically stated as such, just as in the Bennett criticisms (although most people do centre their arguments about why Mowbray keeps picking him) there is still that assertion that the criticism is of the manager. Its people directly tweeting him whereby I just dont get it at all. Then again as @Mattyblue pointed out maybe everyone gets something out of that. Bennett gets his ego stroked by the majority charging in and telling him how great he is, they in turn get the likes they crave and those who have nothing better to do than angrily tweet footballers get to vent. All very bizarre but it all works out in the end!

1. The Dack point is an excuse, and total conjecture as pointed out by others. We hadnt been in the play offs all season when Dack was fit either. Surely the 12m worth of strikers should help with that? But I suspect your response will be "do we need to go over this again" as if its a minor issue. 2. Second half, I think we had as many shots on target as in the first half. Millwall obviously were less bothered about attacking but we NEVER looked like scoring. The false 9's and inside forwards arent a one off and they clearly dont work. Is there any reason why you are so blaze and unconcerned? Do you think these tactics will work eventually? And if so, why? 3. This European scouting network seems to be a huge thing to you without actually having seen how its going to work. I know that Mowbrays recruitment up to now has gone from being hit and miss in League 1 (more successful than his Championship record but reliant on successfully getting the players already at the club onside) to really poor since promotion. But no, if I owned the club I would not demand to a new manager that he has to sign x or y, or players from x or y. He can sign whoever he wants, improved scope for transfers is only going to be beneficial but if he signed players that are good, I dont care if they are British or from abroad, and likewise if they are shite. Its not a valid reason to keep a manager on. 4. Loan signings are very valuable but the problem is that for us they have put us a bit up the league but still nowhere close, whereas at those sides, both finished top 6 last year, both also added permanent players of quality whereas we did neither. And again, the goalkeeping situation is not one to be dismissed, not unless it conflicts with your view that Mowbray should stay of course. 5. Again, a flimsy excuse to suggest that "we dont know" the reasons why he didnt sign certain players. It also makes no sense as to why he signed who he did sign, which is all we can ever judge on. Which is a below par striker who he doesnt know how to use. 6. Again, conjecture.

We might be but I wouldnt listen to it considering our manager has no clue what hes working with!

Oh sorry I wasnt saying you was. I agreed with you! I went off on a tangent somewhat!

Thanks for pointing out the specific post. A big help. And a few points to follow: 1. You say we have improved, but our points tally is the same. We may artifically improve it ever so slightly now the season is over competitively for us. Is this ENOUGH progress? 2. Tactically, we seem to be becoming more and more confused? 1 false 9, 2 false 9s, strikers on the wing etc culminating in that shit show yesterday. Does this concern you at all? 3. You mention the European scouting network. Until this shows success im skeptical. But why cant another manager take advantage of this? 4. You mention his signings. Tbe only good ones are the temporary ones. Does it not reflect badly on Mowbray that we are in a worse position going into next season after this seasons business? (lost our goalkeeper and our signings on over 1 contracts have not really done much.) Again, is this progress? 5. Why do you think Mowbray is the man to sign all of these players we need? He didnt last season and you called him out for it when he spent the money on Gallagher over Jansson/Hector/Cooper I think you personally referenced. Now he has no money due to the pandemic. Whats going to change? 6. You say "we are so close" we have never broke into the top 6 and our season is mathematically over with 2 games to spare. Surely since you made this statement that impacts your view?

I have seen plenty of people with credible reasons to remove the manager. Points tallies year on year, poor recruitment, tactical issues, players out of position etc. Those wanting the manager to stay seem desperate to avoid making constructive reasons as to why, preferring instead to maybe focus on the manner of some of those more critical or by creating hypothetical disastrous scenarios.

The reason that people repeatedly pick him out as a weak link is that he is repeatedly a weak link. Hes not being scapegoated, he has a consistent negative impact on the team in terms of results when he plays. The fact that he tries his best makes it unacceptable that a minority of idiots decides to send him tweets (very mild ones from what ive seen) but lets not pretend that hes an underappreciated but necessary member of the team because hes not good enough anymore. The majority of criticism is aimed at the manager for picking him.

We played a 4222 for half of yesterday that defied any sort of logic and didnt suit any of our players so unless we are selling the whole squad, I would suggest not.

But then you recommend signing a keeper to sit on our bench...

But no one knows these reasons chaddy. And those reasons were before 4 or 5 further games.

To quote you about a keeper weve been tenously linked with, "he might just be happy to have a contract with this pandemic." Smallwoods been happy to sit on a contract for a year, if Mulgrew is settled in the area it sounds a bloody good life if you ask me! More fool us for giving him a long contract, same as Smallwood, Williams, Bennett etc.

Although Mulgrew needs to focus on giving up his contract?!

He also refuses to give constructive points as to why he believes that Mowbray will stay. Mainly choosing to cryptically reference and refuse to reiterate posts he supposedly made weeks ago which are both out of date and would be impossible to find.

How is that a possible scenario? What if Kate goes with Roy? I dont get how you can prioritise ST holders, its a conundrum assuming we have excess ST holders compared to the limited capacity, im not sure what the answer is but that cant be it.

The vast majority of people if not all are blaming Mowbray for it, so not sure what you mean by this? You get the odd idiot giving him a bit of abuse on social media, but to be honest I dont really understand why footballers go on social media full stop, not that it excuses it, but putting the sort of tweets that he did will always provoke the idiots. If a few people are going to tweet calling me a shit footballer, again not saying that it is acceptable, for thousands of pounds a week to play football, its hardly reason to get the tissues out. He wont. Bennett will be until he leaves the club, and if Mowbray stays, he has a year left plus will probably get a new deal. Do you still think Bennett should stay as a squad player? And if so, you would strip him of the captaincy but keep him?

You are right that Mowbrays passion is not in question. He definitely has passion and good intentions. He means well and I think unfairly but understandability, people are taking a swipe because he is baffling them with their decisions and we know there is no chance that he will leave. What he doesnt have is the ability to help us progress. 10 points in 11 games is not progress, im sure youd have to agree? And his tactical decisions lately have led to such a woeful run. Also, when Lenihan was out, initially, Bennett (with his statistically negative impact on our side) started at right back, also moving our only competent full back inside. We conceded 5 in 2. Then when Lenihan had to miss a game, surely Carter, preferred to Mulgrew as a token gesture in the squad prior would come in? No, Mulgrew did, and we conceded 2. Why does Mulgrew NEED to move on? Hes ageing, presumably the family's settled, on a decent wage for a year, the only reason you think he needs to leave is because you can only see the issue from Rovers perspective. Another point, people like to point to past history and indicate that we are one bad appointment away from League 1. There is some right shite in this league and it wasnt just Coyle that got us into that situation, we had suffered an embargo the year before so it was a 2 year process.

If you see progress then nothing wrong with an alternative and detailed review of why you think he should stay. What you have seen that you like. Asked a few questions regarding this that i quoted you in.

We will not make progress then.

Just listening to the podcast now @Bigdoggsteel and it is a very good listen. Quite a funny guy, thanks for the link. Agree with you on what he did for the club too. Extreme example but I don't get people holding grudges and disliking Shearer either, before my time sadly in terms of his Rovers career unlike Duff but impossible not to look with fondness.

Yeah if I've worked it out, starting at the Brentford game. I remember ahead of that game seeing numerous people saying it wasnt must win, which obviously it wasnt, but almost accepting defeat before it happened. People were very welcoming of a draw when we was 2 up which I found very defeatist but it wasnt terminal. 0.9 points per game over the 10 games following probably wasnt what people had in mind though! Not good enough, relegation form.

Covid or no Covid, everyones affected but it doesnt give them an excuse although I am sure advocates will use it! Especially considering that they never prioritise us and theres always delays.

Very true but defensively, Lenihan is the better of the 2. Adarabioyo is so composed on the ball but considering how our increased possession doesnt amount to anything tangible anyway, maybe hes a little wasted here. Lenihan has missed 9 games this season, 6 with injury, 2 with suspension and 1 due to the birth of his child. Out of them, we lost 6, drew 2 and won only 1. Adarabioyo has missed 8 games, of which we won 3, drew 3 and lost 2. I know it isn't as straightforward as that but I think Lenihan is more important. I bet we have a downgrade on Adarabioyo next year.

And quite ironically will be one of the last in which the manager becomes aware of his budget.