1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

 

If I could find a bet on Mowbray NOT being in charge on Saturday then I would wager.

I think there is something brewing - as I posted earlier, 80% confidence in that.

14 minutes ago, WIR Second Coming said:

Here ye go... from 2.40 in - ruddy glorious!!

 

That just gave me goosebumps!!!

We are feckin Blackburn Rovers Mowbray not tiny Teeside tits.

IF Mowbray is still in charge on Saturday, you can safely put your house on a Rovers' win.

Then we will get the soundbites:

• 'It's nice to be up and running again'
• 'I said to the lads, just keep believing'
• 'Let's see where this win takes us'

Again, IF Mowbray is still here, I guarantee we will have a storming end to the season and then it will be about what we'd have done without the injuries.

However, I think Mowbray's termination is being negotiated now.  I'd put it as high as 80%.

6 minutes ago, Roverall said:

Well I think I could've told you the atmosphere would've been tense without your insider's hushed communique, riveting as it was. 

Now can you please recommend a bog-standard, overpriced, sulphite laden, paint-stripping merlot - screw cap, no uncorking necessary - that I can degrade myself with in salute to ten years of Venky's? 

 

Vinecrafter Merlot - stocked by Whalley wines, about £7/bottle.

Not a Merlot fan but wife keeps a couple of bottles handy for cooking purposes - very fruity nose and palate.  Always handy for the 'quaffers'!

Just now, Roverall said:

It felt strange. No offence but what in the name of God is that supposed to mean? 

FFS - have you never walked into either a domestic or work situation and not sensed an atmosphere or tension about the place!

They don't crayon pictures on walls!

11 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Please stop with the fantasy bullshit. It's tiresome. You know as much as anyone else. Nowt. 

I don't pretend to.

Told by someone in the ground it all felt a bit strange after the match.  Fantasy, no, bullsh1t, no, someone's (whose judgement I trust) perception, yes.

9 minutes ago, Rogerb said:

You don't honestly think Mrs Desai is getting up in the middle of the night to deal with this

No I don't.

But if Waggott is at his desk at 9.00 am tomorrow, it will be 3.00pm in Pune!

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Knowing the players are capable of that makes our current level of performance even more unacceptable. It's not like they're terrible players that can't do it.

Knew the usual sort of "How can we possibly expect to compete with Watford" line would be trotted out if we lost tonight.

What about our record since the srat of December? That must be horrific. I'll look it up later.

Played 17, 17 points, lost 9!

22 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

Wishful thinking it may be  but I think he won't be around on Saturday....

I think something happened or was happening tonight - seemed a very strange post match hour at Ewood.

Pune six hours ahead.

Let's hope Waggott's getting sign-off for Mowbray's exit tomorrow morning. 

He just might have gone.....................

Told local journos in a tizzy!

Match finished almost an hour ago and nothing from Tony yet!

With a bit of luck, he's in a taxi for Teeside!

Just now, Gav said:

First poor game he's had, stood behind a defence with more leaks than my shed roof.

 

 

 

Come on Gavv, he's been pushing his luck in many games recently and got away with it.  Tonight, he got caught out.

1 minute ago, Tormund said:

All of those points not helped by the way everything is going at the moment. 

and those points precisely why "the way everything is going at the moment". 

Share the views of some others - looks like a narrow defeat for battling Tony.  Think 2-5 would have been about right.

Some serious worries besides our manager:

• Kaminski: becoming increasingly idiosyncratic and perhaps we are now seeing why Ghent let him go
• Travis: a shadow of his former self.  Now looking a League 2 player
• Dack: not helped by Mowbray shunting him out left but, IMO, increasingly think he's finished as each game goes by

Make no mistake, as a club, think we are in a real mess from top to bottom - a bigger mess than I feared.

18 minutes ago, J*B said:

Which wine would you recommend for me to forget all about this @Mercer?

Think we might just pull this one out of the fire!

Great finish from Harvey but woeful Watford mistake.

Cheap (price), cheerful and decent wine (ideal for watching Rovers when depressed) - try the Coop's Casablanca Pinot Noir at about £7.  

Think there's something going on with Mowbray.

Think he would have been telling the world if he'd had input into the Brockhall plans.

Body language, petulance, IMO, says it all.

Perhaps the end is in sight.

If you have a spare tenner, I'd put it on Alex Neil as next Rovers' manager - wouldn't be my choice but the whisper isn't going away.

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

 

Going off on a tangent there. I dont want Mowbray or Waggott to remain in their jobs but I stop short of blaming him for things he isnt responsible for. You are saying that Mowbray is directly, personally responsible for us having no choice but to sell half of the current training facilities for not having achieved promotion in his first 4 years?

 

Just where the feck do I say that?

Will you stop misquoting / misinterpreting me.

The point I made is that by not achieving our goal to get back to the PL, the effect on our finances is huge.

Mowbray has to be personally responsible for results on the field of play.

I would think the ultimate decision to downsize our training facilities and realise part thereof is down to the owners.

And yes we do have a choice.  Sell some players - they are replaceable, the STC when houses are built on it isn't!

9 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

The club haemorrhaging money is not Mowbrays responsibility, even if money he has spent on transfer fees under him may have not helped that, the manager is given funds by the owners to whom are responsible for the financial side of things.

It is not reasonable to suggest that Mowbray can be directly blamed for any collateral damage caused even based on an assumption that the club had to achieve promotion within his first 4 years to avoid having to start selling off the training ground to compensate. If that is the case, which is a huge assumption, then that falls on the owners, not Mowbray. I would also question how likely it should have been deemed to necessarily get promoted in that time frame anyway.

My problem with the manager is that although I feel that he has done a good job, he cannot further us and his tactics/subs/transfers etc are not pushing us forward any more, and I feel that we are starting to go backwards slightly. I want Mowbray gone because I dont think he can convert us into promotion challengers, not because he has failed to get us into the Premier League by now.

That isnt his responsibility though, people including me are understandably frustrated by the on field situation and are just blaming him for everything, but that falls on the owners. Do we think Mowbray spoke to the owners and suggested selling off half of the training facilities to build houses?

If it came out prior that if we lose then he goes, then maybe I could sort of understand, even though it would go against my instinct, I would be able to empathise. As it is, it seems certain that he will remain regardless, so we may as well hope for the team to win.

 

I think Mowbray's responsibility is to get success on the field and this comes through immaginative and successful  player trading, organisation, motivation, coaching, tactics and game management.  If he had got that right then I think we would have been back in the PL or getting there this season.

If the football manager isn't successful, the club won't be successful and there will be financial struggles.

I think the bottom line is our owners have 'lost' getting on for £200million because none of the club's CEO's or football managers they have appointed have cut the mustard.

In the days of Bob Lord, Burnley sold a player a season in order to survive and thrive.

Who have we got who would bring in £10, £15 or £20million.

Brereton and Gallagher who Mowbray signed wouldn't - it would, IMO, be chicken shit in comparison to some £12million in fees we shelled out.  I remember Mowbray's words about Brereton at Blues in Feb 2019, something like 'there's a lad who'll be worth £15, £20million in the future'.  Well if he'd got it right, I think it's pretty certain we wouldn't be looking to part sell / downsize Brockhall.

I think we have one saleable player asset (biggish money) and that's Armstrong.

The buck stops with the Football Manager and the CEO and, IMO, neither Waggott or Mowbray have delivered and that's why the club is, IMO, in one big mess.  

2 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I never said that he is thick, I just am content with criticising him for what I perceive to be an on field stagnation, confusing tactics, poor transfers etc, rather than getting too worked up with how he acts on the touchline, what he says in his interviews or indeed in your case, based on conspiracy theories dreamt up about what set of events may have played out prior to the owners selling part of the training ground.

There you go again.

Please when referencing me do not make such false claims.  By all means quote me but do not throw sh1t at me.

Brockhall - cause, club haemorrhaging money, why, failure to get back to PL, effect partial realisation of club assets with cost reduction.

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

 

To pin the blame on Mowbray for indirectly prompting the owners to downgrade the training facilities is a stretch even for you.

Please get your facts right!

Where have I said that?

I said our lack of success (failure to get back to the PL) and, IMO, stagnation under Mowbray and therefore substantial ongoing financial losses has probably resulted in our owners looking at ways to claw back some capital and reduce losses.

I think if I were in the Raos' shoes, I would be saying 'right Tony, time to cash in on the diamonds you bought in Brereton and Gallagher'..................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That may be true, but a couple of losses wont lead to that, so hoping to get "smashed a few times" is pointlessly counter productive.

There is no evidence that Mowbray is behind the downgrade of Brockhall.

I think you are naive.

At the very least, Mowbray, as football manager, would have been consulted.  Our owners, allegedly, trust and respect his opinion.  IMO, any football manager worth his salt would fight tooth and nail to preserve such a wonderful facility.  Footballers can be sold and replaced.  Brockhall can't.

Also, how many references has Mowbray made in recent times about NOT using the indoor facility as not good on the body - IMO, it all makes sense.  I don't think Mowbray is quite as thick as sometimes he seems.  

8 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Nothing can be gained from us losing, it will not accelerate the managers departure and if it means Mowbray saying "how good we are" afterwards then so be it.

Really?

I think if Mowbray had done his job. we would be back in the PL or going back there this season.

There is little doubt in my mind that Mowbray's, IMO, failure to move the club forward in his four years is the root cause of huge financial losses and the decisions made by the club about Brockhall. 

Have said it time and time again - a club like Rovers needs a top class a CEO and Football Manager.  We have Waggott and Mowbray - IMO, enough said. 

33 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I never want us to lose, but a win here really serves no purpose other than give Tony more tripe to reel off about how "good we are"

Performance focused manager when we lose, result focused manager when we win. The problem is the performances are shite too. More spin from this lad than a politician. He is doing my head in. I think the game is up now though. 

 

You are right.

We need to get smashed in a few games.

I think we need 'Maggott', Mowbray and Venus out of our club asap.

Kean and Coyle were vilified, however, at least they didn't try to downgrade our magnificent Brockhall complex which is still the envy of many, many football clubs which is what I suspect the 'Coventry three' are very much part of.

If you look at Twitter accounts for Sharpe and Bayes, I think you will see a few have tried to 'rattle their cage' a bit.

I don't think either are confrontational type of guys and strike me as being a bit 'jobsworthy' and anything for an easy life.  Neither strike me as being ambitious and therefore I don't think we can rely upon them to help to get to the bottom of all this or to pull a few skeletons out of cupboards.

If Sharpe and Bayes read BRFCS then I would be delighted if they went and proved me wrong though I'm not holding my breath!

26 minutes ago, rigger said:

8000 allowed on Ewood from mid May. Pity our season will be over.

Doubt we'll get half that number going.