2 hours ago, unsall said:

In your opinion, most folk thought it was a decent signing, and they do a very stringent medical these days, he got a serious groin injury, it happens, like I said Dack had two serious injuries, it’s part and parcel of the job, in hindsight we wouldn’t have signed anyone who ended up with a long term injury..

and most folk thought Etuhu and Danny Murphy were decent signings !!!

As far as I know, there was only the Middle Eastern option on the table for Ayala - I wonder why !?

Therefore, especially in light of the 'serious groin injury' you refer to, Rovers should have de-risked the deal.  A one year deal with decent basic but big appearance bonus together with a one year option in Rovers' favour.  It's not rocket science!  If Ayala had said no then we should have moved on and we would have been no worse off, in fact in employment costs and medical bills we would have been £1million+ better off.

I wouldn't let Waggott, Mowbray, Venus run a corner shop - IMO, they are not fit for purpose.  

3 hours ago, unsall said:

Why do you think that, the lad got a serious groin injury, everyone saying we signed a crock but he played over 90 games for ‘Boro in the 3 previous seasons before we signed him, that’s not a crock.

Dack has had 2 serious injuries out for much longer but nobody says we signed a crock, which he isn’t, same with Wharton another long term injury, no mention of a crock, just both unlucky.

Ayala is a very decent c/b let’s give him a chance and see what happens, just seems a lot of fans pick on a certain players.

We signed Ayala in Sept 2020 on a three year deal when he hadn't kicked a ball in anger for 8 months!

In the calendar years 2020 and 2021 so far, out of potentially something like 70 Championship games, Ayala has appeared in just 11 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my book, those statistics are damning and I think he's a crock.

We need players who are going to be fit and available for at least 85% of our games (39 out of 46 league games).

To give a bloke of his age, who hadn't kicked a ball in anger for 8 months, a 3 year contact was, IMO, the height of expensive folly and a scandalous waste of money.

27 minutes ago, neophox said:

 

Not that bad if Ayala can get a full season as a start. 

If there was a market for Ayala being injured and missing the start of the season then I would be all over it!

I honestly don't think we will get more than a dozen games out of him.

Just bear in mind these accounts are for year ending June 2020.

In the year to June 2021, income from match receipts / commercial activities will have plumetted.

Will be no surprise to me if next set accounts show a £30million loss.

Be prepared for anything.  I feel pretty certain V's will not allow this situation to continue and may well be the reason Mowbray and Waggott remain in situ (rather than shell out on termination costs) whilst options are considered.  

Think one word sums up our operating and financial position:

Fecked!

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

We aren't under Embargo tho Mercer. 

 

Which Rovers' official has confirmed that and where and when?

If we aren't, why has a Head of Recruitment not been appointed and why haven't we signed anyone?

I think our club is on its knees and almost down and out.

29 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Wyke has signed for Wigan apparently nearly earning £10k a week. 

We were after him, so it seems as though we have very little money and need to sell Arma (I assume)

and we are still under embargo!?

I think our football club is moribund and every supporter should be seriously worried.

1 hour ago, rovers11 said:

I think we'll take £15m and add-ons for Armstrong.

I'm pretty sure we'll sell him this window. We can't afford to lose him for nothing next summer. 

If he goes to Southampton it doesn't really suit anyone. We lose Armstrong and they replace Ings with Arma, which they won't be happy about.

I'm feckin sure we would!

Sadly, I doubt we'll see anything like that.

I think we have been screwed again, IMO, by the incompetence of Mowbray and Waggott.

I don't think there are any excuses for this abysmal state of affairs.

2 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

To young for that reference mate 😂

I’m assuming he wasn’t one of the greats

Lord was signed by Jolly Jack for £10k from Stockport in our first season back in the 2nd Division following relegation from the 1st Division in 1966.

Seem to recall Lord had an impressive goals' record in the lower leagues before signing for Rovers but the step up was too great - think he only managed a dozen or so games and i can't remember him notching!

Sadly, Frank died of a heart attack in South Africa some 15+ years ago.

On 28/06/2021 at 20:54, 1864roverite said:

Absolutely NOT convinced about that otherwise why are there no offers from anyone interested in investing? Waiting till administration doesn’t appear to be an attractive option

Should Rovers enter an insolvency situation, I know of at least two North West parties (from my line of work) who would be interested - please don't ask for names for obvious reasons.

34 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

But they had buyers in the wings with a plan Rovers do not !

IF Rovers go into Administration then there will be no shortage of buyers - I am absolutely convinced of that.

IMO,  a joke of a pricing structure.

Not bought my usual season tickets for some time now and would not pay in excess of £2k to watch Mowbray's, IMO, rubbish.

Match day prices also, prohibitive.

Think if Rovers sell same number (2,500) as last season they will do well.  If Waggott had shown some initiative and offered every ticket half price, think at least 5,000 would have been sold - more numbers in ground spending money in club shop, bars etc, yet at least the same ticket revenue.

Even if I was contemplating buying season tickets, I would certainly wait until the club's accounts have been filed and also to know of where Rovers stand with the authorities re transfer embargo, ongoing sustainability etc.  

Not a snowball's chance in hell of Mowatt joining us.

At worse, if he leaves Barnsley, he'll have a choice of real PROGRESSIVE Championship clubs.

Think Rovers fecked with Armstrong.  Accept what's on the table or risk having a very disenchanted player on the books who'll leave for nowt in 12 months time.  Between a rock and a hard place to put it mildly.

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Don't think the owners will sell him for that. 

Or anything like.

With only one year left on his contract, I don't think they have a choice.  Armstrong holds all the cards.

IMO, that's all he's worth.

If Armstrong's agent has half a brain, he will tell him to sit tight and tell Rovers what to do with their new contract.

Either the lad then walks free next season and I think there will be PL clubs who will gamble on him or Rovers reduce their asking price.  In reality, I think £25million is ridiculous for a lad who, IMO, has very limited football intelligence.  If he goes this summer, think Rovers will end up with less than £10million after Newcastle have taken their 40%.

We saw it with Rhodes, despite all the goals banged in at Championship level, a chronic lack of pace meant he would never cut it in the PL.  Likewise, I think Armstrong's limited football intelligence will prevent him having much, if any, impact against PL class defenders. 

17 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Didn't someone else suggest it was Howe? 

I reckon we'd have had half a chance for Wilder under normal owners.

With a Jack Walker style owner, we might have had a chance for Howe.

With our current owners, IMO, not a snowball's chance in hell.

I think Howe is waiting for the 'right job', preferably PL but he does have Celtic in reserve!  A spell at Celtic did Rodgers no harm. 

I understand Wilder ticked the boxes - track record of promotions and ability to work, as demonstrated with SU, within Rovers' financial framework. 

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Based off what you heard? 

I mean logically he should have been, but it seems that's all people were hearing. Was what should logically happen, as opposed to any kind of info from those who make decisions at the club. So speculation basically. 

Yes.

1 hour ago, oldjamfan1 said:

As I've posted before, my take on it is that they (Pasha, not Waggott) had someone lined up to take over but it fell through. Many people within the club were convinced that change was afoot. The taps definitely got switched off in April so I still think something is going to happen. But I agree that the longer we hear nowt, the less likely it is that TM will be gone before the start of the new season. 

I have previously posted this - I understand it was Wilder but he thought there would be bigger fish in the sea.

38 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

@Revidge Blue @Mercer

Would you both say your info was incorrect at this point? Have ye heard anything further? 

Some six weeks ago after the Bournemouth defeat, I would have put big, big money on Mowbray being the next Championship manager to leave if there'd been a market.  I also think for some time after that defeat, Mowbray half expected to be sacked - IMO, his behaviour and demeanour told a story.

I think a new, and recent, surrealism has pervaded the club.  I don't think we have been a 'normal' football club since ownership changed and I think recently we have deviated even further away from the 'norm'.

I think there will be big changes at the club this summer and I would rule nothing out.  I will only put my head above the parapet about specifics if I think there is a high degree of certainty it will happen.

@oldjamfan1and @Paul Maniwhat's your take on the situation.

21 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

How many things have you predicted that didn't happen? Even a broken clock is right twice a day 

And how many things have I flagged that did happen!

Two examples of 'bigger' things that readily come to mind that LT and Radio Lancs didn't have a sniff of:

• Posted on here that deal with Huddersfield done for Rhodes hours before any media knew (came from Huddersfield end)
• Posted on here Venky's been approached to sell part of / interest in Rovers and then reported a couple of days later in LT that Battersby and co were behind Venky's approach

And there have been many others though perhaps not as 'big' as the above.

I don't need to justify myself to anyone and frankly I'm getting a bit p1ssed off with snide comments from likes of yourself.

What the feck have you ever brought to the table on this MB?

Simple answer is I'll stop posting and sharing stuff that comes my way.

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Understand?

12 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Don't fuel the fire, he's no more idea than anyone else. 

Funny isn't it how I posted a few weeks ago that the 'whole thing' had got bigger and more complicated only for Rovers to announce a couple of days later the Brockhall plan was off!

Anyhow I don't give a flying feck what you think.

12 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

I'm sorry Rev but I simply don't believe that the owners were not involved in the attempt to sell the training ground.  It couldn't be sold without their approval or knowledge.  It's fantasy to believe otherwise imo.

I would love to know how Waggott and Mowbray initially 'spun' the proposal to Venky's.  I understand Venky's kiboshed the whole thing in the end.

49 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Factor in how he pulls the strings on everything, including his own boss. Bit odd if he then has no say in this after that kind of clout.  

Then there's the fact that even if it wasn't his plan he could have opposed it or the manner in which it was undertaken (i.e. sneaking it through.) 

Nail on head.

Personally, I have zero trust in either Waggott or Mowbray.

I think Waggott showed his colours a long time ago when he 'represented' Andy Cole in his move to Newcastle and seemingly pocketed Cole's £30k signing on fee.  I would love the two of them to debate that one in a telephone box!