2 hours ago, islander200 said:

He signed for them when they where a championship club, has not extended his contract in that time.I just don't believe we will be paying the majority of his wages.

Orta from Leeds said the move is about gametime and they wouldn't have had many takers if they expected the majority of his wages paying.

Besides weren't you saying earlier in the summer we have hardly any money and can't spend and now you are saying we have brought in a Leeds under 23 and had to make him one of the best if not the best paid player at the club to make it happen?

 

He's made 14 appearances in the PL for Leeds (in the main as a sub) and featured in 30+ match day squads.

I think it would be naive to think it's a 'cheap' loan signing in terms of loan fee and wages.  PL clubs like Chelsea, City etc make very substantial monies from loans and I don't think Leeds will have done this out of the kindest of their heart.   

25 minutes ago, islander200 said:

He is only on 11k a week at Leeds?I doubt very much we will be paying 100% of his salary.So he won't be our highest earner 

I look forward to finding out who this Liverpool player is🙂

I think your figures are very wrong.

My understand is it is an expensive deal (loan fee and wages) for Rovers.

2 hours ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Leeds lad was fairly down the list of wingers to be honest, means they didn’t get those they really wanted. Still got to give the lad a chance.

been told still working away at a perm striker, keeping the number 7 shirt open for this 

Understand it's an expensive deal for Rovers and the lad will be one of the highest paid players (if not the highest)  we have.

Also, believe there is another lad on his way from Liverpool on loan.

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

WBA big monsters players will suit this league and over power teams but will it work in the PL? Doubtful

You first have to get to the Premier League!!!!

WBA will walk it whilst the height of our ambitions seems to be retention of Championship status.

2 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Ok, but to say a good big un beats a good small one is wrong.  They aren't particularly big though are they? Mercers argument would mean that the best player would be 6'7" etc   

It isn't - surely if players are of roughly the same ability then you go for the bigger unit, if available, for obvious reasons.

These aren't perfect examples (and not necessarily players of equal ability) but illustrate the point I'm trying to make.

• Full back - Reece James or Gary Neville
• Centre back - Van Dijk or Ben White
• Midfield - Pogba or Alcantara
• Striker - Lukaku or Adam Armstrong

2 minutes ago, arbitro said:

Little being the operative word. He is under 5'5" which ordinarily wouldn't be a problem but in my view we have too many small players. Looking at West Brom on Saturday and reading lots of comments it's fair to say that their physicality will be a huge asset to them this season and could be the main factor in promotion.

A good big 'un is always better than a good small 'un!

The older members of this MB will remember little Johnny Price the winger who joined us from Stockport round about 1970.

Johnny was only 5 foot 3 inches but had the heart of a lion and would run through brick walls for the cause.  A very decent signing for Rovers at that time in our history.  Sadly, Johnny died in his fifties.  

1 hour ago, Gav said:

As Owen Coyles chief cheerleader you’ve more front than Blackpool.

 

Give it a rest Gav.

Based on your comments over recent weeks, one could be forgiven for thinking you are on the Ewood pay roll!

Your comments about Gallagher today are laughable - I expect every single player in blue and white to put a real shift in and work their socks off - IT IS A BASIC REQUIREMENT and not one that costs £5million and a fortune in wages.!!!!!

1 hour ago, Cherry Blue said:

Fact everyone knows is squad is too small but get the right additions and we can stay in this division.

Is that the height of our ambitions!?

Feck me, think Mowbray has done some job on our fans.

35 minutes ago, Gav said:

How about 20yrs of nights like Brentford had last night, pots in the cabinet, European football, watched some of the best players in Europe week in week out, had the best striker in the world banging in the goals, captain of England, I could go on.

We have a proud history and you should remember that.

I do but what a feckin mess now.

The point I was trying to make is what a small club like Brentford can do with proper management.

IMO, Waggott and Mowbray are 10th raters and way out of their depth and that is why we are in such a feckin mess.

You could sense the togetherness in the Brentford community (club, manager, players, fans).  We can and should be like that but sadly we are now a million miles away from that and we might never get it back.

Just now, gumboots said:

They celebrated like they'd won the league! It's one game. They may keep doing it but who knows?

But wasn't it great.

Just what the feck do we have to cheer about!?

Fantastic to see Brentford tonight.

What a collective spirit (club and fans).

Well done Raya - excellent and assured throughout.

We need a manager like Frank who can communicate and relate to the fans.  Oozes positivity and confidence.

Hope Pasha, Venky's were watching and realise just what could be.

12 minutes ago, Gav said:

Jesus wept....no wonder the football clubs dyeing a death without so much as a whimper.....

That rat Kean never got the boot he resigned on his own terms, after waging a public war against the fans.

He stabbed the previous manager in the back, stabbed the likes of Nelson and Salgado, to mentioned just 2, in the back and brought his mates into the club, who then took turns at destroying Jacks legacy, destroying local businesses and destroying this once proud town.

I'm almost lost for words we have some fans who would have that ******* rat over Mowbray, a manager who is simply out of his depth.

I need a drink.....

Think you've read it wrong!

Think there is more to this man than meets the eye - sadly, IMO, none of it relates to the skills of football management.

Humble, man of integrity?  I'd rather believe the moon is made of green cheese!

5 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

As I asked someone earlier, what exactly can Ashley do?

You do not want to mess with Ashley.

I did work for an organisation who had dealings with his businesses and he and his senior management team are absolutely ruthless.  You try and 'do' him then expect to pay a very heavy price. 

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers and Southampton will trust each other. 

If we don't sign Obafemi then Southampton will pay more for Armstrong by 5 million or so

In your dreams!

Anyhow, I wouldn't trust Waggott and co as far as I could spit.

If Rovers try to pull a fast one, Newcastle will be all over Rovers like a rash.  As a business man, Ashley is a b@stard and will have his pants taken down by no one.

14 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Yes I forgot. Butcher. He was poor ....he dropped the ball more often than he caught it and it makes you wonder how some players actually became professionals. But in terms of sheer uselessness, Barton has to be the worst. Looked like a rugby league forward with about the same mobility. 

Barton wasn't top drawer but I'd put him ahead of the likes of Butcher, Dickins, Fettis, Steele, Walton etc.

If my memory serves me correctly, in his one full season as Rovers No 1, other than Jimmy Hill's Sky Blue Coventry, we conceded fewer goals than any other team in Division 2 (now Championship) - you don't do that with a poor goalie!  Think we finished top 6 but some distance away from Champions Coventry.

1 hour ago, phili said:

He is correct on Neil, during April and May, four managers were sounded out by Pasha and HSH to take over from Mowbray during the summer, with Neil being one of them. I think two others were Pulis and Jones.

All 4 rejected us, Neil because he didn't agree with downsizing of academy and training ground, no transfer budget and a reduction of player budget etc.

40 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

unbelievable you are still keeping this Alex Neil link to the Rovers job even after 8 months of linking here. Maybe its time to stop these sort of posting. 

Not having a pop but posting the things you get wrong. But I will call a truce now between us Mercer. Is this ok Mercer?

 

@chaddyroverssee post from @philire Alex Neil.

I posted after the Bournemouth match I thought Mowbray would be potted within 72 hours (others also posted to similar affect).  I think it's clear moves were afoot to replace Mowbray.

I think the Alex Neil 'thing' is far from dead. and more on that IF Neil is appointed.

Some stuff happens, some stuff doesn't, that's football - just accept that and also accept folk post in good faith and I've got enough right for folk to accept that. 

4 hours ago, islander200 said:

Never said I have come up anything.

Mercer every summer we are on the brink of financial Armageddon In your opinion.

You sold Rhodes more times than Nixon.

Alex Neil the latest one you have got wrong..

IF it isn't your Bookie giving you the inside scoop it's one of your colleagues.Colleagues who seem to know the finer details of the Armstrong deal already.Its laughable

The Alex Neil one came from family with good connections to PNE.  All I would say is don't write that one off just yet!

My colleague in the NE like myself is an experienced financial professional with strong business connections and a wide range of contacts in the area (I'll leave it at that) so it would be no surprise if he picked something up.  As for 'finer details of the Armstrong deal', I did not say that - I posted £12m with £3m add ons which is not finer detail - funnily enough, someone else on this MB posted they've also read elsewhere it's  £12m with £3m add ons.

I think it's better for this MB if the likes of you and @chaddyroversstopped having a pop at me as I'm sure other members find it boring and tedious.

6 minutes ago, Angry_Pirate said:

Ignoring fee for a second, does anyone actually think or what to state a case that Armstrong won't be a massive flop in the Premier League.

I genuinely think he'll be back in the championship in 18 months time, with or without Southampton. 

(Sorry lurking Saint's fans).

Moving up to PL is huge.

Doubt his pace will worry many.

Don't think he has a football brain, needs too many chances to score, poor touch and caught offside too many times.

Don't blame the lad as it will set him up for life whether he succeeds or not.

However, I wish him well - going to live and work in a lovely part of the country.

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

Has anything Mercer said ever come true?

Maybe wait and see what actually happens first?

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Rovers will sell Rhodes to Bolton and Wee Dougie? never happened

Rovers will be sold or in administration shortly? not happened

Alex Neil will be Rovers manager and he started that one last January and we are in August and it hasn't happened. 

So take your conclusion from that 

49 minutes ago, islander200 said:

He will be back on shortly to tell us that he broke the Rhodes to Rovers story on here even though it was Glen Mullan

I don't give a sh1t what you two lads think but at least give a balanced view and get your facts right

Clearly, you forget where I've been right on numerous occasions.

And for the record, Mullan did not break the news that Rovers had agreed a deal for Rhodes.  Check the postings if you've nothing better to do.  I posted that hours before anything in LT, on Radio Lancs or on here.  It came straight from the Huddersfield camp.

Who also posted about Seneca's attempt a few years ago to buy into Rovers some 24 / 48 hours before anything appeared anywhere!?

What pearls of wisdom have you two ever come up with?

2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Very much doubt Obafemi will be coming in. They can't even get to the level of paying Nyambe a few grand a week more. How the hell are they going to pay his wages?

Would be a loan with Southamton subsidising wages.

7 minutes ago, callumrovers said:

Ive seen a few figures banded about.on twitter by journalists. 15 mil max + add ons.

 

 

Read it again !!!

"Adam Armstrong of up to £15m with add-ons"

It's in the wording ie UP TO £15million when adds on are taken into account.

If it was £15m plus add ons, it would say so!!!

I'll back my colleague in NE over any Talkshyte presenter.

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

The lad missed the 2nd half of last season through injury!!!

Hope it isn't going to be another one of those.................................

5 minutes ago, callumrovers said:

Sounds to me like 15mil plus add ons.

According to a colleague in NE, it's £15m MAX INCLUDING £3m add ons.

£15m max ties in with Hampshire press.

11 minutes ago, J*B said:

A few Southampton Journo's saying its just 9m up front..

£12m + £3m add ons.

Without the add ons, which have to be earned, nets Rovers £9.7m.

Rovers got their b@lls squeezed - didn't Rovers want £25million!?

Think Southampton's deal is okay given the sh1t hole, IMO, Waggott and Mowbray put us in. 

9 minutes ago, Gav said:

The one good thing that we've seen over the past 10yrs from Venkys, is they'll will not have their pants pulled down when it comes to selling players.

I'm sure Mowbray is desperate to bring new blood in, we certainly need it, but if the owners valuation isn't met Armstrong will be going nowhere.

These clubs know the number, Mowbray has been telling them for 6 months, pay it find a cheaper option, its as simple as that.

Problem Gav is it's not that simple!

If no club coughs-up, we are left with a disenchanted player who will almost certainly either leave in January in a 'cut price' deal or will walk for nothing at the end of the season. 

1 minute ago, ben_the_beast said:

Thing is we are all debating whether Arma is top level quality and his worth. But on this occasion Mowbray is right. If he had 3 years left on his deal no club would have a sniff under £20million and we would probably be trying to milk them for closer to £25million. Whether somebody would pay it is another question. 

If Southampton are after a striker to replace Ings who they are 100% confident in and represents very little risk then they simply don't exist at the prices they are willing to pay. £8million was insulting. I'm sure in their heads they value Obafemi who's done nothing in his career at that price. If they want him. They need to pay up and do it now. 

But he hasn't, he's less than 12 months.

IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle!

Time for realism - Rovers between a rock and a hard place.