Valérien Ismaël: Blackburn Rovers Head Coach

[roversfan99]

Its being painted as if we are the only team to have suffered injuries. Lots of teams have numerous players out. And some of our absentees havent been out for that long.

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Its being painted as if we are the only team to have suffered injuries. Lots of teams have numerous players out. And some of our absentees havent been out for that long.

But those other teams didn't completely rip their squads up and replace the majority of their experience with players playing for relegated teams abroad. 

I also don't think any team in the championship has had as severe problems with injuries as we have had. 

We have no striker without Gudjohnson. I rate ohashi but he is not a typical striker so Ismael choices were Gueye or Henriksson .

[RevidgeBlue]

46 minutes ago, islander200 said:

So you think another guy would have us much further in the table and more points away from the bottom 3 with this squad and injuries?

Ain't you always calling most the players in the squad shit?

It's Ismael that decimated the squad!

I assume he gets input into and the final say on players coming in and in summer Id say he got 3 out of 11 right.

And that's only IF Baradji comes good and signs permanently.

[RevidgeBlue]

14 minutes ago, islander200 said:

We have no striker without Gudjohnson. I rate ohashi but he is not a typical striker so Ismael choices were Gueye or Henriksson .

Whose fault is that?

He clearly didnt rate Gueye and signed 11 players in summer!

[islander200]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

It's Ismael that decimated the squad!

I assume he gets input into and the final say on players coming in and in summer Id say he got 3 out of 11 right.

And that's only IF Baradji comes good and signs permanently.

Look at the budget ffs.

What are you expecting from anyone paying around 1 million per player. 

Jdt and Eustace supposedly had final say on players aswell plenty of dross was signed in their times too.

For me Gudjohnson, Morishita, Alebiousu have been good signings ,and Baradji looks like he will be a decent player 

mcloughlin and Miller passable as squad players but we need better for the starting 11 

The rest shite agreed.

[islander200]

10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It's Ismael that decimated the squad!

I assume he gets input into and the final say on players coming in and in summer Id say he got 3 out of 11 right.

And that's only IF Baradji comes good and signs permanently.

Yes it's Ismaels fault we sold all our most experienced players. Ismaels fault the decent players in the squad weren't offered good enough contracts. Ismaels fault majority of our transfers were low cost and we shopped in weaker leagues. 

It's Gestede and Pasha dictating our transfer strategy ffs.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Look at the budget ffs.

What are you expecting from anyone paying around 1 million per player. 

Jdt and Eustace supposedly had final say on players aswell plenty of dross was signed in their times too.

For me Gudjohnson, Morishita, Alebiousu have been good signings ,and Baradji looks like he will be a decent player 

mcloughlin and Miller passable as squad players but we need better for the starting 11 

The rest shite agreed.

Just as a side note, what's Moreshita done? £2m and he's had a fraction of the effectiveness and output of Dolan who used to get stick on here every week.

I really dont get you sticking up for Ismael.

He record is abysmal, in certain respects "worst in 150 years" abysmal.  There's nothing in his recent track record elsewhere to suggest he can turn things round and in my view if he stays we definitely go down.

If someone else comes in they MIGHT be able to save us. It really is that simple a choice.

 

[islander200]

8 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Just as a side note, what's Moreshita done? £2m and he's had a fraction of the effectiveness and output of Dolan who used to get stick on here every week.

I really dont get you sticking up for Ismael.

He record is abysmal, in certain respects "worst in 150 years" abysmal.  There's nothing in his recent track record elsewhere to suggest he can turn things round and in my view if he stays we definitely go down.

If someone else comes in they MIGHT be able to save us. It really is that simple a choice.

 

Are we in the relegation zone? Have we been in the relegation zone much this season?If the answer is no why you so sure he will take us down?

 

Have we or have we not had loads of injuries to key players this season?

I think it's an extremely difficult job for any manager/head coach and I also believe 100% that we will get worse or similar to Ismael if its Gestede Pasha and Owen doing the choosing.

A change of manager is not going to change our transfer policy and after what happened with JDT and John Eustace nobody of decent standing is going to come in here and work under the conditions Ismael is.

Iv said plenty of times I don't think Ismael is a good manager, iv said I wouldn't cry if he does leave.

But imo removing him will change nothing. The pressure needs to be on the owners ,Pasha and Gestede.

Pre injury I thought Morishita was playing well 

Edited 2 hours ago by islander200

[Kjell]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

The pressure needs to be on the owners ,Pasha and Gestede.

But we can all agree that Ismaels far worst attribute is being aligned with those bastards?

[islander200]

1 minute ago, Kjell said:

But we can all agree that Ismaels far worst attribute is being aligned with those bastards?

Yeah but anyone appointed by them will have to be aligned. 

He goes you really think Gestede and Pasha will appoint someone who will be demanding or try to get what they want through the media?No chance 

[Kjell]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Yeah

Let's end our discussion in agreement 🙂 

[Tomphil2]

47 minutes ago, islander200 said:

But those other teams didn't completely rip their squads up and replace the majority of their experience with players playing for relegated teams abroad. 

I also don't think any team in the championship has had as severe problems with injuries as we have had. 

We have no striker without Gudjohnson. I rate ohashi but he is not a typical striker so Ismael choices were Gueye or Henriksson .

Which again comes back to schoolboy planning and recruitment by the pair of clowns in head office.

Before you take into account a head coach with a style that will lead to more soft tissue injuries and players not used to this league or that work load.

[RevidgeBlue]

25 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yes it's Ismaels fault we sold all our most experienced players. Ismaels fault the decent players in the squad weren't offered good enough contracts. Ismaels fault majority of our transfers were low cost and we shopped in weaker leagues. 

It's Gestede and Pasha dictating our transfer strategy ffs.

 

Give over, he chose to go into the season with only two strikers he was prepared to use, and it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility  one or both would be injured or suspended at some point.

Now unsurprisingly we can't score a goal for love nor money. That's entirely on him. 

[islander200]

14 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Give over, he chose to go into the season with only two strikers he was prepared to use, and it wasn't beyond the realms of possibility  one or both would be injured or suspended at some point.

Now unsurprisingly we can't score a goal for love nor money. That's entirely on him. 

Or gestede said we didn't need another striker 

Or the funds weren't there for another striker

Or the recruitment side couldn't find the right striker 

You think he enjoys having no forward?He has said in the media he wants 2 strikers in January .Where are they? Is that his fault aswell that thus far we have only added a loan defender and its mid January?

I think you are being totally daft laying the blame for recruitment at the managers door 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I think you are being totally daft laying the blame for recruitment at the managers door 

Just purely on the striker point, he turned over 23 players in and out in the summer.

It's his responsibility that he only left us with 2 serviceable strikers.

[islander200]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Just purely on the striker point, he turned over 23 players in and out in the summer.

It's his responsibility that he only left us with 2 serviceable strikers.

He had gueye.You know for a fact that Gestede or the owners didn't say no ti another striker being brought in? You don't 

Like I said he asked for 2 strikers it's now mid January where are they?

[roversfan99]

With the striker situation, I think the squad wasnt built to play with 2.

Ismael did in particular endorse Morishita (and also De Neve) to play out wide but one isnt a winger and one isnt a footballer so those plans had to change.

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

With the striker situation, I think the squad wasnt built to play with 2.

Ismael did in particular endorse Morishita (and also De Neve) to play out wide but one isnt a winger and one isnt a footballer so those plans had to change.

Going into the season we still had 4 strikers. Gudjohnson, Ohashi ,Gueye and Tjyon

Now the last two haven't played much but it was certainly the clubs plan to have Tjyon involved more when they thought he might sign 

And Gueye opportunities were limited but when he did get them he was shit 

Ismael may well have wanted another forward but the club could have said no when we are carrying 4 already 

Like I said to RevidgeBlue he asked for 2 now and rhus far the club haven't delivered them

[RevidgeBlue]

6 minutes ago, islander200 said:

He had gueye.You know for a fact that Gestede or the owners didn't say no ti another striker being brought in? You don't 

Like I said he asked for 2 strikers it's now mid January where are they?

Silly argument, equally you dont know Gestede or anyone else said he couldnt bring another striker in.

Im fairly sure no one would have objected if he'd spent the money incinerated on Tavares on another striker instead for example.

As regards asking for 2 strikers now, as I've said previously on other threads, I think this is all complete BS to keep the fans placated. I think he knows full well it's not happening but the reason it's necessary is they all fucked up the summer window and generally wasted whatever funds we did have.

[RevidgeBlue]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Going into the season we still had 4 strikers. Gudjohnson, Ohashi ,Gueye and Tjyon

2 strikers.

He has CHOSEN not to utilise Tyjon and clearly never rated Gueye in the first place so wasnt prepared to play him. He also CHOSE to ostracise Leonard and sell him for peanuts.

[islander200]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Silly argument, equally you dont know Gestede or anyone else said he couldnt bring another striker in.

Im fairly sure no one would have objected if he'd spent the money incinerated on Tavares on another striker instead for example.

As regards asking for 2 strikers now, as I've said previously on other threads, I think this is all complete BS to keep the fans placated. I think he knows full well it's not happening but the reason it's necessary is they all fucked up the summer window and generally wasted whatever funds we did have.

Keep the fans placated for a whole month then make it ten times worse by the end of January when 2 forwards don't sign? Sounds like nonsense to me

Do you still think Cantwell wasn't really injured?

Also after the window closed he did have 4 forwards Gudjohnson, Ohashi ,Gueye and Tyjon.The club turned down a bid from Arsenal in the summer they obviously were pushing for him to have more minutes.And Gueye did get minutes he didn't perform 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Keep the fans placated for a whole month then make it ten times worse by the end of January when 2 forwards don't sign? Sounds like nonsense to me

Do you still think Cantwell wasn't really injured?

Also after the window closed he did have 4 forwards Gudjohnson, Ohashi ,Gueye and Tyjon.The club turned down a bid from Arsenal in the summer they obviously were pushing for him to have more minutes.And Gueye did get minutes he didn't perform 

How have they been pushing for Tyjon to have more minutes?

He had two strikers he was prepared to use.

[islander200]

3 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

2 strikers.

He has CHOSEN not to utilise Tyjon and clearly never rated Gueye in the first place so wasnt prepared to play him. He also CHOSE to ostracise Leonard and sell him for peanuts.

Yes its all ismaels fault.

Gueye is shit 

Tyjon is far from ready to be playing championship football.

And Leonard was a club decision I am not having that Ismaels idea.

Seriously your thinking is warped.

Its not the owners fault its Waggotts.

The owners gave a hefty budget to be used in the January of Mowbrays last season but Mowbray turned it down.

[islander200]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

How have they been pushing for Tyjon to have more minutes?

He had two strikers he was prepared to use.

Why turn down a transfer offer from Arsenal then if the CLUB not Ismael didn't expect him to play a part.

If we don't sell him this window we will get fuck all for him and the only chance he was going to sign contract was by getting first team chances .Sorry but he looks far away from being able to contribute at championship level 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, islander200 said:

Tyjon is far from ready to be playing championship football.

But a minute ago you said we had 4 strikers. 

You're contradicting your own points and having lost the argument you've nothing left to fall back on but resort to insults.

I still can't see what it is about this guy that makes you leap to his defence. He almost couldnt possibly be doing any worse than anyone else could he, whether it be League position, performances or the state of the squad.