January Transfer Needs

[roversfan99]

Selling Hyam how we did was negligent. To not bring in a senior centre back capable of starting games even in this window would compound that. If we dont, or we just bring O'Riordan back from a struggling League 1 side, its simply asking for trouble.

Our centre back options are still sub par, I still think we are 2 short. Definitely someone to play in the middle too. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

All of them - that's why we're 20th.

With this squad and head coach it will be a massive relief if we stay up regardless of which permutation of players we field. (Imo)

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

40 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Selling Hyam how we did was negligent. To not bring in a senior centre back capable of starting games even in this window would compound that. If we dont, or we just bring O'Riordan back from a struggling League 1 side, its simply asking for trouble.

Our centre back options are still sub par, I still think we are 2 short. Definitely someone to play in the middle too. 

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

That’s a crazy role but it is what it is and we have to be cognisant of that. Regarding our best starting 11, that’s not only a pretty good team but we would have decent players on the bench to bring on. As it is at the moment they are stating for us and our options from the bench are pretty average.

Edited 50 minutes ago by Tyrone Shoelaces

[KentExile]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

If O'Riordan is recalled, then we currently have 0 spare slots.  In fact, we also have to factor in Garrett (who returned from injury recently) & Barrett (whose loan ends in January). 

Although I wouldn't expect either of Garrett or Barrett to be in the 25, we could well have 27 players who need to be considered (be that selling/loaning out etc) before we think about bringing more in

 

Toth, Pears, Barrett

Wharton, Carter, Miller, McLoughlin, Pratt, O'Riordan

Hedges, Pickering, De Neve, Ribeiro

Alebiosu

Cantwell, Tronstad, Morishita, Baradji, Gardner-Hickman, Henriksson, Forshaw, Tavares, Garrett

Ohashi, Gudjohnsen, Gueye, Kargbo

 

* anyone not mentioned above (Montgomery, Litherland etc) is young enough not to be included in the 25

Edited 41 minutes ago by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That’s a crazy role but it is what it is and we have to be cognisant of that. Regarding our best starting 11, that’s not only a pretty good team but we would have decent players on the bench to bring on. As it is at the moment they are stating for us and our options from the bench are pretty average.

I think we deffo need another striker and centre back signing. maybe a wing back depending on Miller and Litherland 

plus getting rid Gueye for sure, maybe De Neve on loan. Maybe Ribeiro and keep Pickering 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, KentExile said:

If O'Riordan is recalled, then we currently have 0 spare slots.  In fact, we also have to factor in Garrett (who returned from injury recently) & Barrett (whose loan ends in January). 

Although I wouldn't expect either of Garrett or Barrett to be in the 25, we could well have 27 players who need to be considered (be that selling/loaning out etc) before we think about bringing more in

 

Toth, Pears, Barrett

Wharton, Carter, Miller, McLoughlin, Pratt, O'Riordan

Hedges, Pickering, De Neve, Ribeiro

Alebiosu

Cantwell, Tronstad, Morishita, Baradji, Gardner-Hickman, Henriksson, Forshaw, Tavares, Garrett

Ohashi, Gudjohnsen, Gueye, Kargbo

Gueye, Garrett, Barrett, one of Ribeiro or Pickering,. Do we keep TGH on loan? 

that would give is 2 or 3 spots for signings. One of these signing could be under 21 aged signing 

[KentExile]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Gueye, Garrett, Barrett, one of Ribeiro or Pickering,. Do we keep TGH on loan? 

that would give is 2 or 3 spots for signings. One of these signing could be under 21 aged signing 

I'd happily send TGH back, runs about a lot doing not much, cant fault his effort, but there isn't a lot of end product.  As a box to box midfielder, he is behind Cantwell, Morishita & (judging by recent performances) Baradji in that role, and doesn't have the positional sense or discipline to play the Tronstad role.

Personally feel he was brought in as cover because Baradji was injured, and has served his purpose

Edited 27 minutes ago by KentExile

[roversfan99]

24 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

if we could get that starting 11 on the pitch then its be top 6/challenging for top 6

2 short? 

we got Miller, McLoughin, Wharton, Carter, Pratt, plus possible O'Riordan on recall then add Litherland and Atcheson

surely 1 is enough. Plus we need to factor in the 25 players register rules. We only have 1 spare spot currently unless we move players on

You do this thing where you just list names without critiquing quality.

Miller and McLoughlin are squad player level for me. Only starting every single game IMO out of necessity.

Carter is an absolute write off, pointless even listing him. Asking for trouble if we do.

Wharton is also really injury prone and wont be back until February and even then, we cant rely on him to stay fit.

Pratt has done well, but obviously isnt at a stage where you can consider him a first team regular who can play game after game at this stage.

So yeah, I think we need 2. We need a direct Hyam replacement after negligently letting him go, a proven player in the middle of the defence. McLoughlin isnt good enough for that, plus is poor in the air. He is more suited to being an option to the left. The options we do have seem to be predominantly left footer so we could do with a second right footer.

2 more proper first team quality players, McLaughlin, Miller, then Pratt and O'Riordan (if we recall him, if we got 2 I would happily keep him at Doncaster, but would maybe recall him during Jan as we know we will drag out deals so can just send him back at the end of the month) potentially as younger options. That seens much more reasonable to me.

It wont happen which is why I think some understate what we need to try and bring it more in line with what might happen.

[roversfan99]

You look through that list of players that need registering, so many are simply not good enough. Gueye, De Neve, Tavares, Henriksson, Kargbo, and then Carter who is no use to us. I think Pickering still has a use far more than Ribeiro who I would be happy to move on too. Strip them out and we have such a small core of players who actually have any use.

Obviously you have to tell them at the start of the month, rather than repeat the shoddy Sigurdsson treatment, so they know where they stand. But we shouldnt not sign someone in favour of saving places for players like that.