I'm not talking an absolute oaf, just someone who can control the ball, bring others into play and win the odd header.

I don't see much snobbery here really. Most admit it's about results. I'm sure Mowbray looks down his nose at it, down his nose and up the table.

Some good points. I don't think Liverpool will allow the spark to be vaihed out if Elliott. They would haul him first. Hopefully not.

Missing the issue. He is the focal point, so it's logical he has more goals. He hadn't done it againt top teams and I would say his play when he's at his worst hinders the team and kills momentum Even look at today, watch the highlights. He has a decent shot that hits the post, comes back and he gets it again. Now look at where Dack is when Armstrong shoots weakly at the keeper for the he many times in 5-6 games? Clearly Dack was the pass and it's a mild example of when Armstrong has done this.

We clearly need a target man because we are far too predictable. Teams know we won't get it in the box and if we do, we will typically lose the aerial battle. Armstrong has been very lucky. His goals to shots ratio shows how many chances he needs to score. Ya, he has goals, against teams we hammered mostly and penalties. Not doing enough for me after that. We can do better for a figure like 17 million. Maybe he would be better in a front 2. Doesn't lead the line well enough at all for me. You can talk about his goals all you like, I know what I see. As I mentioned , the vast majority of those goals were penalties and in 3 games where we flat track bullied the opposition. Come back to me if Armstrong does it consistently for 1 whole season, at least.

If someone offered £17 million for Armstrong,I would take their hand off. Finished tap ins when we steamrolled a few pants teams at the beginning, can't do it when it matters against decent defences. Doesnt link the play up, far too greedy with pointless shots and lacks that bit of cuteness in key areas to bring it round the keeper or finish when there is more to be done that a curler or arrow into the bottom corner. I would wager another manager would have him out from the centre and back on the left. We need a target man to get the ball into the box more directly to. We have too many midgets on our team. Gallagher, well what can you say. Brereton is no target man, but at least he has some strengths

That's harsh

Well he clearly cannot motovate with his team talks. That's ongoing since League 1. We keep the ball and tap it around,but do we really have the hunger to suck that ball into the goals? We just seem to accept everything..shit decisions, antics from the opposition, nothing seems to rile our lads up Ya, individual talent will probably get us more points going forward, but the mangager has dropped the ball a lot recently with some of his decisions.

Dack looked great though. He will unlock some defences. Brereton great to have back too. Just too many passengers. Holtby is the lynchpin of Mowbrays "keep the ball ,but do nothing with it" philosophy. No goals or assists this season. Get Downing in, looks far more dangerous in the final third. Gallagher, just stupid being played there, thank god that's probably over for now though with Brereton back. Ayala and Lenihan looked decent enough to be fair. As for Douglas. Seriously, what has happened there? Have we signed his twin or something. I'm starting to think this is unfair on Bell.

We would better off with a target man, it's not like Armstrong is good at linking the play. He is pointless up there currently. More of a hindrance. Could have the quick skillful players feeding off a proper target man, buzzing around him

Nyambe having a stinker offensively. So wasteful

Doesn't practice it very often

How was Armstrong offside there? Does he not have a brain? He had so much time

Good start, but faded a bit.

Armstrong has to finish that. Top strikers do

Bannon a class act. So good

WE NEED MORE URGENCY. Feck sake Nyambe

Douglas really is atrocious. Got very lucky there

Fucking hit it Brereton

We are going to win this

Def a push on Brereton, but he should have been stronger. Class from Dack

Get in Rothwell Just keep doing that man!!! He turns into Messi every now and again

Douglas is like the Zoolander of football, he literally can't turn left. Left being forward. I thought he was an attacking full back??

Will we even complain if he doesn't?

Armstrong follows up a great effort with an indulgent and shit shot with other available Ok, can our players show like they care? Sheffield Wednesday doing the dirty stuff/dark arts and we just accept it