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v Coventry City (h) - 16/10/21
Bigdoggsteel replied to simongarnerisgod's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I wrote this before they even scored their second So predictable -
v Coventry City (h) - 16/10/21
Bigdoggsteel replied to simongarnerisgod's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Mowbray will put this down to having a young team, but I out it down to him and his game management. -
v Coventry City (h) - 16/10/21
Bigdoggsteel replied to simongarnerisgod's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
Ah feck. Not watching but was expecting them to score next Unlikely we hold on now imo. We know how this goes -
v Coventry City (h) - 16/10/21
Bigdoggsteel replied to simongarnerisgod's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
I don't think the time at right back helped carter. It exposed him badly, although,to be fair to him, he didn't completely disgrace himself. If Ayala is fit you can really play either of the 2 beside him , but if Lenihan is and Ayala isn't would go with Carter. Hopefully Lenihan and Ayala are both fit though.... Hopefully Pickering is well enough to play -
I take your points,I'm just looking at the individual deal and I think compared to where things were looking like going with it, we are now in a good place. Although on the flip side, if he hadn't started playing so well, he probably would have signed a new deal!
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Again, I'll point out, young players develop , if he continues his current level of performance and output, nobody who wants to sign him will be look back at the last 3 seasons and use it as a reason to not sign him. I think we can agree it was a strange move at the time and that we had other areas we should have strengthened first, but I would see that as separate to whether the deal worked out , as things stand we now have a very useful asset on our hands
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v Coventry City (h) - 16/10/21
Bigdoggsteel replied to simongarnerisgod's topic in Blackburn Rovers Fans Messageboard
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19647677.blackburn-rovers-hit-illness-blow-ahead-coventry-city-visit/ There is always something, isn't there? -
The only metric of an individual transfer is if that player delivers or not. Saying spending the money differently would worked out better is fair enough, but it is hypothetical.
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The Brereton transfer has turned out to be a success. If we spent that money differently, it could have worked out worse and alternatively, it's highly unlikely that it would have worked out with us being promoted. As I said though, that's a wider issue around management and signings.
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The only metric that matters as far as I am concerned is performances and goals
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So should we not sign anyone? Buying with the aim of making profit is literally the only model we can operate under, barring we get promoted. Why we haven't been promoted is a separate issue Your last sentence shows you have a a wider issue that bothers you, which is understandable, because in isolation, this deal has now worked out. When you say gamble 5 million here and 7 million there what would your solution have been? Who would you have signed back then? You would struggle to name anyone , even in hindsight
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I just don't think 1 signing can make or break promotion for us, which opens up the broader question of why that hasn't happened under Mowbray. If we do make money on the transfer though, it will go to the club in some way, maybe not the way we like , or a glamorous way, but it might , for example, keep the FFP wolves from the door. I just think under pretty much all the headings that matter with regards a transfer "working out", we are in the positive, eventually, with regards the Brereton Diaz deal. Far more than say with Gallagher, for example.
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The fact he is our top scorer, top scorer in the league and a hugely important member of the starting 11 is not if, but or a maybe, it is fact. Fair enough though, lets leave it at that!
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Again, time here is irrelevant to the question whether the deal has worked out or not. Breaking his goals down over 4 years, likewise. If he continues his form this season, teams will be coming to us with big bids and they won't be looking at the last 3 seasons. Might be shocking for you to learn but young players improve and he is a young player. By your rational Thierry Henry, Suarez , Andy Cole at United, Bergkamp should all be looked at as poor signings due to their slow starts at various clubs. To the degree where anything they did afterwards is to be ignored Look I know some just refuse to give the manager credit for anything and we would all like if Brereton got going sooner, but that doesn't change the fact we now have a player who is crucial to our team and will be the recipient of big bids from clubs going forwards. The deal has worked out.
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No, I'm basing it off what I see with my eyes at this current point in time. His stats back that up. The deal has worked out. Again, you are over estimating what 6 or 7 million gets you these days. The time he has been here is irrelevant to the question of whether it has worked out, eventually. So I will ask you a question, if we signed him for £6 million last summer, would you say we had signed a good player and that the deal had worked out? If he scores 20 plus goals and leaves for 20 million , will it have worked out?
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We signed a player to improve our starting 11 and we now have a unique player, crucial to our team, who is big , strong, travels well with the ball, plays off the left, but also scores goals. He is currently the top scorer for our team and in the division.
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I think all the categories you mention though point to the transfer working out and being a success. The promotion stuff is really out of his hands, as is how his fee would potentially be reinvested. As an individual he is doing all he can to be a success and his performances and goals represent that. To me he has far more to his game than say Armstrong and as such could command a greater fee. It might have taken some time, but I don't anyone can point at the deal now and say it didn't work out. Even Forrest fans must concede we got the better deal at this stage, particularly after all the money they have squandered since. That certainly wasn't the view before the last few months, they no doubt thought they pulled our pants down.
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Lampard would be an underwhelming appointment for me if I was a Newcastle fan, very underwhelming actually. I would put him below Gerrard and Eddie Howe even. Conte would be the man, if they could get him that is...
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He won't run down his deal, because if he doesn't sign he will be sold this summer. I bet it will be for more than Armstrong as well. He is a key member of our team now, top scorer in the league, an international footballer at a high level and an absolute superstar in Chile. The deal worked out.
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You said it's pure speculation that we will make a profit. Barring injury, we will make a profit and potentially a large one. It's safe to state this. Profit on a transfer is good and we look like we will at least double what was paid for him. He is the top scorer in the league. Hence why the deal has worked out, eventually.
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It has paid off though. He is playing super stuff for club and country and barring injury, he will now leave for a big fee.
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You don't think we will make a profit and you don't see how making a profit is of benefit to the club? Ok then , fair enough
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It has paid off because we currently have the top scorer in the division and will make a profit, potentially a large one. Making profit is literally the name of the game for a club like us. You are operating off the assumption that if we didn't sign Brereton we could have spread the 6 million around and become a force in the division? You are over estimating what 6 million would get you these days
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It's not that simple though. Big clubs spend 10s of millions and they fail at this. The gamble in this instance paid off, so credit to the club and the manager
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I would say a lot of signings over the last 9 years fit neither criteria , hence why I said I would take a Brereton style transfer, where he eventually delivers and will command a fee when leaving.