That’s pretty fair, which is a sad indictment on him. Perhaps even he knows that the lost fans won’t return, without at least some sort of an explanation, so he tries to exploit, those who don’t need one.

For the fans who do think Venkys were badly advised, is it something they want to believe, or has someone senior at the club actually come out and suggested, this was the case? Since his arrival at the Club, Waggot has been trying to find ways, to bring some lost fans back. If I was one of the owners and was badly advised or duped, I would ensure that this was made public and perhaps ask for an apology and a clean slate. So far as I am aware this badly advised theme, is one thought up by people who perhaps want to believe that. Whilst I would never knock a fan, who wants to ignore what the owners have done and simply want to attend the matches, it cannot be ignored, how the owners seemed to be complicit in the demise and have never taken any steps to explain that they weren’t.

Dance with the devil and pay the consequences. This was always going to happen, even though he thought his friends in high places, might provide cover for him indefinitely. The strongest evidence we have of that cover is the ridiculous crying episode on Sky, but as you say, elsewhere people may not have been quite so forgiving.

I think you might have incorrectly picked up on what I said there. I never said Sella was a Gangster, all I have eluded too is that an agent involved in our club at one time, does have some scary people on his trail now. Certain posters on here, know that is correct. I have never suggested that being the son of an aristocrat, spelt gangster. I merely pointed out that this person, was involved in Blackburn Rovers at one point and the global 11 football fund. The fund was set up to market players, increase their value and make money that way, otherwise known as third party ownership.

Anderson has got some very scary people on his trail, hence me saying what I did. If you Google Indoo Sella de Monteluce, you will find that he is an Italian Aristocrat, who was involved with a football investment fund, which in turn is linked to Kentaro

Yes, but not necessarily the Italian Mafia. There were a few dubious characters about the club back then and as you will see with the link below, it all seemed to lead back to the same person/company. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2010-12-16/aristocrat-s-son-starts-soccer-player-investment-opposed-by-u-k-leagues

When you watch and listen to that again, it makes you realise that the people who fought to get rid of some of the chancers around back then, out of the club, may well have saved us from a Bury has situation. There was a feeding frenzy back then and I admire every single person who brought what was going on to the forefront of things. I along with plenty of others know of phone calls made by one person, involved in dubious goings out, pleading his innocence and making out he was a victim. He didn't get away with it completely and from what I have learned about him recently, he has got his just deserts.

I did wonder if it had been made up, but it is there on Companies house in black and white.

That's right and in the meantime, if the current owners are like the last one, they and their families will have a nice living out of it, make 4% on the funds the have lent to the club and then sell it on or put it into admin again, knowing their loans are secured and they are therefore preferred creditors. Rinse and repeat.

The big question is, how did they end up with owners like this in the first place? If there is a fraud investigation underway, then you have to wonder. There were some very strange rumblings about Rovers initial takeover, for anyone who remembers and a Western Union Transfer was cited, as shall we say, questionable.

Its got to have been secured against the stadium and the hotel. They won't have a cat in hells chance of repaying the £40m in 4 years. Someone called Nick Luckcock is involved and it may be £20m lent by him and £20m lent by Sharon Brittan. There is a third charge, but that might be the hotel looking at it.

Here is a link. https://companycheck.co.uk/director/911487120/MRS-SHARON-BRITTAN/summary

Looks like they could be back in the same boat in 2022. Sharon Brittan has lent 2 lots of £20m to the club. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11761052

It seems that GMP have now launched a fraud investigation at Bury FC.

Its an interesting letter from Dale, but of course he has failed to address certain things. the most damning was the sale of the clubs debts to his daughters partner, so you have to wonder if the league are totally to blame, or if it is six of one and half a dozen of the other. I don't trust the league one little bit and as can be seen from many a shady owner, getting their hands on clubs, the system needs a total overhaul.

I did hear that the accountants were brought in, as there appeared to be funds disappearing, with no trace of where these were going. As already mentioned, accountants advising on a traditional business is one thing, but a football club, is a totally different animal. Here we are all speculating again though, instead of the owners coming out and stating, what has happened in the past, where we are now and where they want us to be in the future. Perhaps once they do, a bit more income could come in, as a few more fans may start to believe in them and trust them.

Its an utter disgrace that this has happened to Bury. From the purchase of the club for £1 and the league admitting the didn't carry out a fit and proper test, through to the mortgage with an annual interest rate of 138%. How can a greedy individual like this, get away with killing a club like this? Football is becoming a bigger let down to the average fan, with each passing day.

It appears that Anderson and Shaun Harvey are good mates allegedly. When you are good mates with someone that senior at the EFL who happens to know, he will be gone before too long, perhaps the good of the club was the furthest thing from his thoughts?

Very poor that from both teams. Predicted 0-0 at half time and nothing happened in the second half the resembled a goal coming

0-0 written all over it at the min. Not enough quality from either side

Nothing dodgy as in brown envelopes sweeteners and little tickles here and there for services rendered. It's not too long ago that the England Manager had to resign and was possibly a little lucky that his misdemeanours, only cost him is job, allegedly.

And this guy was deemed to be fit and proper?. no wonder the game is in a mess. It seems to be full of more crooks and vagabonds, than your average prison.

I think it was his daughters boyfriend from what I heard and he denied any connection allegedly.

You can find that and wonder if he is fit and proper, but the football authorities couldn't. As we have seen with other dangerous people owning football clubs, if you know the right people it doesn't really matter. I assume it was Dale, who was so fit and proper he signed a Mortgage agreement that had an interest rate of 128%. Its as though he was setting this up to fail, so that his £1 turned into millions, almost over night. Someone will love Bury enough to rescue them at the death. The sad thing is, if he goes away for a couple of years and keeps his head down, they will let him repeat his trick again, with another unfortunate club.

I don't wish bad things on many people, but I have to make the odd exception and here is one.