Can I recommend you watch Frankie Boyle's skit on "the good old days"? He's got you nailed.

Fair enough. I'd tend to agree with you, he can disappear in games but I suspect thats more to do with everyone being aware of his talents now and opposition managers planning accordingly. His stats speak for themselves. I just find accepting he is going makes it less painful when he does.

Nothing to suggest? I'd say the last month or so suggests we could do with a whole new defence, frankly. Don't want to lose him at all as the guy is the latest Rovers legend for me but let's be honest he is going at some point because we ain't getting back to the PL with the lunatics running the place.

Probably been mentioned but bit concerned that our Bradders popped himself nicely into shop window for this month by scoring yesterday, even more than he was. Luckily I don't think West Ham are in enough trouble to go and spend £20m on him. Or do we think we need the cash to rebuild the squad?

0-4 is 150/1 at halftime, popping £10 on

This could be brutal. I'm going 2-5 followed by a meltdown of epic proportions on here before we realise our level and beat the teams around us in the following 6 games.

I'm not sure it'll ever turn that toxic. TM is streets ahead of that rat in terms of managerial ability and I'd like to think he would fall on his sword eventually if it ever got really bad as he comes across as a decent man. The worry for me is we are stuck in mid table mediocrity for years to come.

Exactly. I'm not sure how I let myself forget this tbh!

After the dust has settled on another chastening defeat at the weekend everything became clear to me on the drive to work this morning; We aren't going to get back to the Premier League whilst Venkys own the club. Perhaps this was obvious to most however the start to this season combined with the promotion last year had given me some false hope, however in truth we don't have a manager that is capable of taking us to the promised land whilst Venkys continue to exist. I've got a lot of time for TM, he has brought some much needed positivity back to the club after the lowest point of Venkys tenure in chimp head. However he simply isn't capable to get us promoted. His player recruitment, setup of teams, insistence on playing people out of position, questionable formations and the recent trend of the team conceding late goals isn't conducive to us getting promoted. It's a shame as I would love him to get us up but it simply won't happen. And here is the most disturbing part - Venkys won't get rid of him regardless of results or where we finish. He has got himself in a position where he is essentially running the place and, more importantly, Venkys simply don't care enough to make a change and even if they did who the fuck do they listen to? They've been burnt so many times by bad advice and/or corruption that they wouldn't know who to turn to.

Football sucks at the minute

Fuck sake

For play to Mowbray for changing it up, sounds like it's working fairly well so far. Would still be surprised if we got anything from this but a welcome improvement from the last few outings.

Agree with this, he's absolutely appalling.

Nailed it.

I'm not absolving Mowbray from blame for our failings, far from it, he needs to sort it out. However Stuart's point read like we've got wonderful owners who are willing to spend £7m on one player so this mess it Mowbray's fault, where in truth it's Venkys fault and their fault alone we are in the predicament we are in.

You're absolving V8nkys from any culpability for the situation we find ourselves in with this point which is f8cking shocking. Am I supposed to be grateful they are willing to spend £7m on one player and direct all my anger at Mowbray?

Expectations need to change. Mowbray took over from the worst shower of shit since V8nkys slithered into town bar Kean, and I'd even say that's a close run thing. We were an absolute farce under Coyle make no mistake and I dread to think where we'd be now if he was still around. We are 14th, 8 points off the play-offs and 10 from relegation which is roughly where our wage structure would put us. Given the fact we came up from League One not a bad effort. Yes we are in a worrying run of form and there are some obvious failings that Mowbray doesn't appear to be able to arrest at the minute but he's certainly earned some patience.

This?

I agree with you on the most part. However Mowbray isn't going anywhere with the current setup at the club. We're in a Kean type situation again where the Manager is running the place and Venkys are totally reliant on him. Luckily TM is far more capable than that rat.

He's just not that guy though is he rightly or wrongly, don't expect that out of him.

We're a million miles from Leeds mate, in terms of setup. Venkys are totally reliant on the manager. They won't have the balls to get rid of Mowbray even if it was the right thing to do as who the hell are they going bring in?

What do we want him to be saying? Not on the wind up genuinely curious. If he starts to admit there is an issue with us not seeing out games does it get in the players heads and they become more nervous?

I was referring to it when i said "hysterical overreactions on here". I agree with you it's a worrying trend not being able to hold onto leads but to start throwing out lines about Mowbray being the most tactical manager we've ever had is embarrassing, frankly.

The hysterical overreactions on here after a loss like that are wonderfully entertainment, this is from the top drawer, well done.