3 minutes ago, Hasta said:

 

Ambition in football is money.

Without Jacks dream or cash, he wouldn’t have come.

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Point completely missed as usual.

I know you're trying to wind everyone up peddling your usual "We're poor little Blackburn Rovers, how can we possibly hope to compete?" line but in this instance the cost is irrelevant.

Whatever the managerial pool we are fishing in, we ought to be able to identify a couple of stand out candidates and bring them in, not interview anyone with a pulse.

The local media seem to be making it a badge of honour that the "short" list is getting longer and longer when the opposite is in fact the case. We need a quality not quantity, a couple of top quality names not sifting through a sea of dross.

Still, what do you expect with Waggott conducting the process?

Point missed? As in comparing / expecting the club to go out and get one of the best managers in the country?
 

I know that he is talking about choosing someone and just employing them rather than interviewing, but it’s hardly a scandal to have such a process.

If being told the truth that we aren’t anywhere near that level, is winding you up, then I suggest you get a grip.

That doesn’t mean this process couldn’t be better, it doesn’t mean that the club is achieving its “maximum” and it doesn’t mean I believe we cannot compete in the championship for promotion.

The idea that cost is irrelevant is ridiculous.

2 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Really. Because to me it seems like you just like to throw names youve heard mentioned out there as a fishing expedition to try and get the odd person to put a bet on which in turn moves the betting odds slightly in your preference.  But you do it under the guise of being an 'itk' 

I personally just think he makes it up. 10 years of “wee” titbits and I can’t recall a single time one of his predictions has come true.

6 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

We didn't appoint Dalglish in 95. And when we did, we were in the second division and I am sure it was a gamble at the time.

The key point which you missed was the owner of Rovers identified who he wanted, then went and got him.

You don't need me to explain the contrast do you?

The contrast you seemingly can’t see is the difference between our club and football as a whole between now and then.

Kenny wouldn’t have come without top tier wages or guarantees on spending.

I’ll wait for you to explain how it is possible to invest the modern day equivalent, similar Liverpool or City, to go out and get one of the best managers in the country, promise them huge numbers / wages, with FFP and turnover that doesn’t even cover half our current wage bill.

1 minute ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Is this how John Williams went about appointing Mark Hughes?

Quite sure there was an application process for that one, Hughes hadn’t even managed in club football at that point, and he’d played for us 12 months before.

24 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Is this how Jack went about appointing Dalglish ?

Doesn’t exactly help dispel the “they still think it’s 95” nonsense when you’re asking questions like that.

10 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Hugo Boss is really chavvy and tends to be worn by goons, so no.

Says “Get the Badge in” 😉 

My favourites of recent times, the Mulgrew and Danny Graham ones. The Craig Conway one with punching Calzaghe is also brilliant 

I think there is a Chris brown quote in one of those about “they still think it’s 95” and plenty on the stuff about the team preferring to play away at that time.

@JHRover and your credentials as CEO for a football club are?

Personally would rather see a head coach decide who he is working with, and I always take LET with a pinch of salt anyway.

1 minute ago, Kie_BRFC said:

Now put how far clear of boro we were before wilder took over 

As hard as it is to accept - our league position is due to 46 games not pre and post Christmas.

1 minute ago, JHRover said:

So Middlesbrough finished above us, spent more than us, have a top manager who outperformed Mowbray after taking over when they were going nowhere in November.

Out performed with a bigger budget, wage bill, inherited squad and still only managed a 1 point gap.

A “top manager”…? Sounds like the opposite of sour grapes to me JHR.

I find it incredulous that you can swivel from calling ours a rip off and theirs a good deal, purely down to this and the local geography.

Each to their own.

3 hours ago, JHRover said:

Absolutely.

And if we look at those more expensive than us you could say only Middlesbrough are comparable when it comes to stadium, empty seats and economics. Difference is that they have a 50 mile radius to share with Hartlepool whilst we have 17 other League clubs in that area almost all offering cheaper tickets.

Norwich a relatively affluent area with no billionaire owners and know they will get 20,000 turning up come what may expecting a promotion push

Watford expecting to be up there challenging

Luton having the best season in living memory and a ground that can only accommodate about 8000 home fans.

Its absolutely ridiculous yet I could accept it if the product or effort was there that you might not get elsewhere. If you got solid investment or a top manager like Middlesbrough have, or a nice stadium and facilities

Instead it is just excuse after excuse.

21 minutes ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Both keepers went backwards under Benson.

Kaminski's distribution now is significantly worse than when he arrived.

I can’t remember you waxing lyrical about Kamiski’s distribution at Copenhagen? 
 

Whilst you’re welcome to this view, to me it simply sounds like an opinion created to enforce another. 

The caveat of Raya getting worse is utterly laughable since he’s essentially now an established premier league player with an international cap.

Just now, Gav said:

Brentford don't seem to think Raya went backwards, I agree with them.

Kaminski has earned a full international call up since he arrived, Belgium too don't think he's gone backwards.

I'll defer to them.

Have to agree Gav, the only place you’ll here specific backroom coaches being dogged is BRFCS. Make of that what you will!

8 minutes ago, JHRover said:

No surprises some would rather play it steady and keep things close to home.

If you are a European manager particularly Spanish, Portuguese or Italian you change jobs with regularity. That's just how it goes. Doesn't make you good, bad or indifferent.

I'd welcome a manager that doesn't need to be here and isn't grateful to just collect his cheque and plod on. Someone with clout will want to get to the PL and will go elsewhere if that isn't going to happen.

I couldn't stand another 5 years going nowhere listening to excuse after excuse under a manager just grateful to be here treading water.

Sometimes the foreign route is the way to success. Its not done Huddersfield any harm.

 

Corberan and Carvahal are Chalk and Cheese! Not a sentence I thought I’d ever write.

Anyway, the point; my knowledge and experience of Carlos during his Sheffield reign was a underachieving, this directly from Sheffield Wednesday fans, who also pointed out countless dodgy deals, ridiculous contract lengths, pay offs and the steady malaise that followed his reign, ultimately caused of a dodgy foreign owner in chansiri. Sound familiar?

Its got nothing to do with foreign or not, I’d be well happy with Farke, or even someone of Warners ilk - but Carlos, who set it up so Sheffield Wednesday had their shirts made by his own company, is exactly the sort of agent riddled, 19 clubs in 21 years level jobsworth, I would rather not see at our club.

Each to their own of course.

6 minutes ago, AJW said:

Callum O’Dowda anyone ? Contract expired at Bristol City seems to have been around forever but still only 27 years old

The free agent market this summer is chock full of talent. Some of it our own!

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/endendevertraege

6 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Carvalhal's CV reads like a template for HireA.FootballManager.com. Do we really want here-today gone-tomorrow CarlosManagerball at Ewood? If that's the level we're looking at I'd rather take a punt on the likes of Ainsworth

Absolutely, and his penchant for spending big money to achieve nothing in England will probably put him off our job anyway.

Id rather Johnson took over than Carlos the T-shirt salesman.

20 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Owners should not be interfering with decisions regarding transfers, the autonomy should be given to the manager on such decisions. That is the main worry going forward, that they did that in the first place.

I would have struggled to see 2 players being finalised in a couple of days.

There was an athletic article last week that suggested it was Waggott who wouldn’t sanction the sale, not the owners.

Just now, martonrover said:

Have you read his CV? He really isn’t the above, (which doesn’t work anyway!)

He’s been a decent manager, with Forest being his only real failure.

He’s not my first, (or even second), choice, by any stretch of the imagination, but he does have pedigree.

I meant really that the promotions and achievements mean he’s done the same as those two managers.

I am aware of Hughtons pedigree - I would probably feel exactly the same as you about his potential.

Would prefer someone a bit more imaginative however but it’s easy to say, Mark Hughes was the last time we had any luck with a new or less established manager, and I can’t see this ownership vacuum getting any better at making those decisions.

1 minute ago, martonrover said:

Aye, but Mr Kean has never taken a side into the Premier League. Hughton has done it twice, with two different clubs, and got another into the Play Offs.

 

So he’s basically Coyle and Mowbray combined…!

40 minutes ago, martonrover said:

Agreed. Hughton has spent more seasons in the Premier League than Mowbray.

So has Steve Kean 😂 

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Give over.

How many games has he genuinely missed this season due to injury and not Mowbray thinking he's Pep Guardiola?

Picked up one nasty injury in a challenge that could have happened to anyone. Was available again sooner than expected. Other than that relatively injury free this season

Nyambe isn’t injury prone you say?

11 minutes ago, roverandout said:

Dolan Gallagher khadra? Hardly key players.  I'm pretty sure Luton forest Sheffield utd and Huddersfield have had injuries.  Nice dig at me. Should I be a Mowbray apologist like some people? No one is arguing over the players effort. Just a shame the 'manager' didn't give a shit. 

You’re more than welcome to that opinion, aka TM not giving a shit but I couldn’t disagree more.

 
I personally think he isn’t good enough to achieve our expectations, not savvy enough, not tactically inept but not creative enough, and unable to consistently motivate a team that’s evidently good enough to finish top 6.

As @aletheia eloquently points out - there are ample examples of this team being mismanaged due to poor decisions, but I still find it difficult to see how this falls at the door of effort.

Before TM, I remember plenty of occasions where our team simply didn’t give a shit.

Hopefully we’re not going back down this avenue!

2 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

He’s not in the Ayala league regarding injuries but he is prone to muscle strain. That’s another problem with playing Dack at the moment, you know he hasn’t got 90 minutes either.

Ayala has to go down as one of Tony’s biggest ever fuck ups.

Biggest wage in the club for someone who has hardly played.

On his day, a fantastic defender at this level, but unfortunately someone who picks and chooses his “days”

1 minute ago, K-Hod said:

Don’t get me wrong, we were unfortunate with Markanday getting a serious injury pretty much right away, but you don’t need the benefit of hindsight to know that playing a LWB at RW when he’s never played there before probably wouldn’t get the most out of him….

Nothing to do with effort or trying that though, and whilst I agree that this was stupid decision, it came during a period Dolan, Gallagher, Brereton and Khadra had injuries.

Lack of nous, lack of inspiration, lack of ownership support… but effort? Can’t agree.

This is part of the reason why I’m not going full “roverandout” in my celebrations on TM leaving.

I remember rovers teams in the last 12 years who literally didn’t give a fuck, and certainly didn’t “try”.

5 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

I never expected us to compete with Bournemouth financially, as they’ve still got parachute payments.

But, I did expect us to at least try and strengthen the squad from the position we were in. Injuries are inevitable and need to be expected. As it happened, nobody we signed in January really made any difference, if we are completely honest.

Going from second in February to finishing 8th overall though. Some collapse, that. 

Brown, Markanday, Zeefuik and Giles. I genuinely thought they’d bring more at the time but captain hindsight has proven me utterly wrong.

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

And there was no middle ground to take between the Bournemouth January approach and what we pursued? 

And if that middle ground had failed in keeping us second, certainly it could have helped to prevent a fall to 8th in three months… 
 

I think whoever sanctioned the Markandy and Zeefuik deals probably thought they’d make a lot more of an impact.

Also I don’t recall Bournemouth, Fulham or many of the other teams in the top 6 missing key players (like Mitrovic / Solanke) for huge periods either.

None of our issues fall under the remit of “effort” in my humble opinion.