It cost £160 for a single Madonna ticket (2 hour performance). £100 for a George Michael ticket (2 hour performance) £49 for Kylie tickets (2 hour performance) £150 for a rolling sttones ticket- you get the drill. Also it cost €400 for one Euro semi-final ticket and €245 for another. Glorious goodwood cost £350 per person for a 4 hour day. We can quote certain things as being good value and certain things as being poor value. It depends where your priorities lie. I want to go to every Rovers match that I can attend, therefore I will make sure I afford it. I know I'm lucky, but of my discretionary spend, the first amount always goes on football. Choose between boring cars driving round a circuit many times and football, no comparison- it could be 25p to get in to cars and I wouldn't want to go. (I HAVE been tp a Grand Prix- the food was nice) Some of you will be the same about my hobbies. As I said, you choose your priorities and spend accordingly.

Don't be silly.

He's exiled in Birmingham at the moment

Shocking as it may seem I've agreed with almost everything Tris has said on this subject. Especially about this infiltration. It used to be really unpleasant (if full) for Manure, Liverpoo etc. Now it's emptier but much better (and feels safer) Des: Freeview £29.99 for non-sports stuff. Not per month- one-off.

You're being too sensible Stu! You're talking like an accountant

This is falling on deaf ears, but it's £27.

Doing this sounds great, but all that would happen is that the club would get even less revenue from the more popular games. It's clear from the remarks on here that many would wait and get those tickets (which they'd buy anyway) cheap. Bad idea. However, giving cheap kids tickets wouldn't be too bad- as long as they came with an adult who pays full price.

Have just found out I can. YIPPEE

The sort of logic you give out really annoys me. The game is from 3 to 4.45 on a Saturday. There is absolutely NO NEED WHATSOEVER for anyone to buy food. On a normal day you wouldn't eat at that time, so why on a Saturday? Have lunch before you go and dinner after you go home. Also travel costs. If you live in Nelson and are driving, it's 14.7 miles. Even if you take the inland revenue milage allowance (which is meant to cover depreciation and all costs on a medium car- actually it makes you a profit) it costs £6.18. The train is £5.35. Presume a bus would be cheaper still. So instead of the £30 you're looking at a maximum of £19 including travel- assuming no railcards available. That's £40 on an average month. For sky- with sports= it's £43. Add to that pub costs and the argument falls apart more What you're saying is that Premiership football is worth £10 to you. That's a price that should and will never come again on a regular basis for adults. You can't go to League 2 for that, and in fact some conference sides aren't much short of that.

And I think therein lies the point. Those who are paying 2 x £100 chose to do so (or rather chose not to buy season tickets to avoid this) At the start of the season there are always games close together. Doesn't take a genius to work it out. Therefore either they should have budget better or bought a season ticket. Now I feel sorry for people who can't afford to go to football, but truthfully with an minimum average cost per game of £12.50 (£250 cheapest held-priced season ticket / 20 matches- 19 in the league plus UEFA cup game), I don't feel that many cannot afford it. So now it costs more- TOUGH.

How much would be fair? £20, £25 and if that didn't bring the crowds back (and we've proved it doesn't by reducing the prices and not increasing attendance) what would we have achieved? A few happy people who would have paid anyway and get it cheaper and a poorer club. That equals failure. We lost people because firstly, we got relegated and secondly, we played like a bunch of numpties for a number of years. Also because people can watch games on TV and get drunk while doing so. Valid lifestyle choices but very bad for us. We're not alone in losing fans. We practically ARE alone in keeping our prices down yet our "fans" seem to moan more than most. Prices have fallen in real terms this year. Those who chose not to take advantage have themselves to blame and shouldn't moan. I don't mean casual, once in a blue moon fans. They DO equate their tickets to the price of other entertainment (Madonna £160, George Michael £120, Kylie £50, etc). Any "walk-on" but regular fans should have built in their savings by buying a season ticket. None of the "we couldn't afford that much at the beginning of the season" (instalments) or "it's like a second mortgage" (if you had a mortgage for £40 a month good luch to you!!) They're suffering now- as short-sighted people should. I really don't think the club could, or SHOULD have done any more than it has. We need to be competitive, and to do that revenue, not fanbase, needs to be maximised. Of course if you can do both, great. IF not, "Show me the money!"

It stops when people stop paying it.

That's a contradiction. Football in general may have been sold out to money, but Rovers hasn't. All those who wanted to could have got this game, and all games (in fact more as the first UEFA cup game is included) for last year's prices. If they haven't, more fool them. Everton is the price it is because they can sell away tickets, end of. Sensible strategy if you ask me as we wouldn't have got many walk-on fans anyway. Everyone else can wibble as much as they want, but 5000 at £36 from Everton more than makes up for the 3-400 extra we MIGHT have got at £26. And yet again people whine about the price in their favourite area. It's the law of supply and demand. Of course the most popular areas are going to be expensive. You can get an adult ticket for £27 elsewhere. So move.

Just to remind folk that are getting upset about yesterday that Greece (most of whose squad were/are from Olympiakos) ARE the reigning European Champions. I have faith in Sparky to get things right. Look at the ginger whinger in Scotland. Couldn't buy a goal, never mind a win preseason. First game- 4-1 win- stitch that. (OK against Kilmarnock- but a win's a win and 4 goals are- well you get the point)

On all levels!!!

*waves back* I used to shout something other than instructions to our last manager!!! (now I just admire the suits, coats and gameplan) Will look out for you at the New Zealand match (or do we actually have to pay for those tickets- if so must get organised) If not will look out for you at the first home game of the season (Am on holiday at the moment so am not applying what's left of my mind to when that is)

JWL row 14 seat 154.

we seem to still be quite good at being offside!

On a brighter note, I've just managed to finish the four-suite game on Spider solitaire for the first time ever!!! Not relevant, but hey- you have to take good things where they happen!!!

I think you could say we're not playing very well

If I could see more than every 9 or so seconds, I believe I'd see the lovely Andy- who I think has just come on as a sub. Some others too, but once they said Todd, I stopped caring

Well, as one of only a handful who thought we were infinitely weaker without Duff seeing what was brought in to replace him, I'd like to say that this time I think we will be better off. OK, Bellamy is, on his day, world class, and I don't think any of the three brought in are that, but that's the point. Between the THREE of them I think we've improved the front line immensely (I don't think that the loss of dick-off was of any import whatsoever - he was pretty useless last season to us-so don't think any of them really were replacing that). At least this time we've replaced properly. Replacing a world-class left winger with two central midlfielders who were average at best and a right back/winger when at that point we had a surfeit of each was always pretty dumb. But then............... (For the record I think Reid has improved hugely and is actually quite good now)

Ignore me- I'm having a bad day!

Ignore the complete idiot! (Me- miseread the name)

The reason certain people are so up themselves about the "fat" local boy is that he has made good, and probably doesn't necessarily want to hang around with them, or their type, any more. Hell, I don't hang around with the people I knew at school either. Mostly they're still doing the things they were and talking about the people they were when I left. I've got different horizons now, so has he (at least I'd hope so) I've met David on many occasions, and he''s always been very polite, nice and friendly. Never seemed "up himself" at all. Just a successful person. And technically he's correct- the fans DON'T pay his wages. The pay about 10% of his wages. Sky pays the majority, followed by prize money etc...... Jealousy is a sad, sad thing. And for the record, I'd see him back on a "pay as you play" deal. However I think you'd find that he'd be playing quite a lot.