Vinjay

If they allow a reduced number of fans in the stadium (even if it was a couple of hundred) you might have a better chance of getting in than most because of all the youth/EDS games you attend. Didn't the commentator say there were a small number of fans at the Dortmund/Schalke game or were they all family/friends/employees?

I said they seem certain because of the remarks about the girl and her family being well respected in the community. They aren't quoted as if the first statement made was "it's not her family". Getting a bit conspiratorial if you think there's some community wide cover up.

Occurred to me as well (though I wouldn't say it's written all over it) but the refugee charity mentioned seem certain her family aren't responsible. K-Hod should probably clean up this speculation really. Granted I said it may not be random but didn't claim it's her family either. Can you edit anything before this sentence (including the quote) rather than remove the whole post? More here. She was Muslim. https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/18457184.law-student-named-locally-victim-fatal-blackburn-shooting/

Recently I proposed some radical ideas including letting fans in for free or close enough. I searched on google for any similar proposals/suggestions (they do come up) and see who's mentioned here! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-438731/Let-fans-free-says-Mowbray.html

More details here. I'm not entirely sure it's random (if it was we could have been looking at a Hungerford, Dunblane, White District scenario) but the victim was a young law student. Could it be because she was Muslim? Maybe. Without wanting to sound like someone on another forum blaming immigration in the area you could speculate on racial motivation for any random killing. Apparently nobody has been shot dead in Blackburn for over 25 years so it's a bit early to blame "the state of the town" isn't it? The majority of people in Blackburn (non criminals for example) have no reason to feel unsafe as far as I'm concerned. Well apart from what's going on everywhere right now! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52678348

Do I have to try and justify everything on here? I'm making an effort not to be argumentative!

Celtic's lead isn't insurmountable. Name anyone who's ever thrown away a league title in Liverpool's position. City could have won every game and wouldn't come close.

It was an obvious reference to Harford preferring Shearer/Newell and the 95-96 league performance.

I think if the Walker family were gonna try and sue anyone (other than that lawsuit with their trustees) they would have by now! I never asked anyone to outright name employees (so I'm not sure why you brought his family up) either.

Indeed but Jack had more animosity towards Man United than Liverpool.

Rangers will fight this all the way. Hopefully win as well. Rangers over Celtic all day long.

Jack said that he wanted to "make Manchester United look cheap". That's not reinventing history it's the truth. Dalglish gets on with Ferguson now. Jack and Ferguson never got along. Petty Vendettas? I've seen other football forums where people do nothing but rage at the press, media, etc and have countless grudges. Compared to some of them I'm actually quite reserved!

All accounts? There's several people who loved working for Walkersteel. Said it was never the same after Jack left (and not in a good way) I don't know if he was always a Tory voter. Jack Straw was granted a honorary position it seems like Jack approved of the "new labour direction". I imagine he wasn't the greatest fan of unions especially when people who didn't even work for him tried to disrupt his business.

Rubbish. Sutton criticised Harford in his autobiography.

I understand what his point was. I just don't think the timing was necessary or merited. I'm sure you were "taking it in" just fine without a typical Blackburnian comment. At the time there's no doubt who was the best striker in country. Dalglish you could have argued was the top manager in country at that point. Presumably your Dad didn't know he had quit. The money that Jack spent between 95-99 was definitely enough to win the Championship again. It just wasn't used correctly. I know Harford's remembered more for his good points but really he did an awful job as manager. He split up the Sutton/Shearer partnership for one thing. Newcastle almost won league in 95-96 and you could argue that Rovers were better than them and that Leeds 1992 side. Hendry, Berg and Le Saux were better than any defenders Newcastle had. I can't believe they finished 2nd with Darren Peacock as a regular. I know people say teams finish where they deserve in the league but there are clear anomalies.

Who did people want as manager when Mackay was sacked? I know most of you didn't think Dalglish was possible so which name was coming up most? Some directors apparently suggested Steve Coppell (seen as an up and comer at the time) but what about anyone else linked? I suppose some fans suggested Parkes completely overlooking why Mackay was sacked. I've seen press cuttings from the day Jack took over and even then the ambition was evident. Peter White knew then it's almost as if the fans only woke up to it (and even then not fully) when the offer for Lineker was made. Ferguson was Jack's biggest enemy in football. Nobody else came close. That's the reason for comparison.

Shooting on King Street. Nobody has been arrested yet. Armed police monitoring the area.

Can't choose your family can you? Something you and Jack have in common. Any stories about Ronnie Clayton being an unpleasant scumbag? Peter White being a white supremacist? Nobody has ever said anything about Jack like this on the forum before. Seems strange that it's coming up now all as an excuse to defend a lowlife like Ferguson. Why don't you give some specific examples it's not like I'm asking for names and national insurance numbers. Not that I would agree with it anyway but at least try to back it up. The most negative thing I could ever say about Jack is that he was too nice. This ruthless bastard you're making him out to be would have fired Mackay the second he walked in the door. He would have got rid of several others too and I'm not talking about the players that were sold. Sure someone might bring up his tax exile status. One of the reasons he moved to Jersey was so he could safeguard his employees jobs whom he was so horrible towards. What about the workers who were loyal to the point they broke pickets from their own union members (but not Jack's employees)? Yeah he was an awful, dreadful man. ?. Even Ferguson with his media stooges can't cover up his bullying nature. You can't cover up any such stories with Jack because they don't exist. Your relatives must have confused him with Fred.

I'm not pro monarchy so it wouldn't make sense to acknowledge knighthoods. Not against the UK but would prefer if it was renamed the Union Republic. I don't care what his prefix is. Once again I bring up Liverpool Echo referring to the S*n, etc. If you insist on using a prefix how about "Slur Alex" which fits his reputation as a vulgar, crass person. What about the women's team who were denied a promotion because of Man United? What about the transfer ban Rovers got because of corrupt rules influenced by UEFA and Man United? There would have been countless reasons to kick the man out.

Did you disagree with him? If the mods remove this can you at least have the courtesy to explain why? Are you not allowed to ask questions now?

Why shouldn't I call it FUP or refuse to call Ferguson "sir"? If you were on a Liverpool forum would you question people who refer to the S*n or the Scum? The Liverpool Echo even call it the former!

So who are they? Genuinely I've not heard one person speak negatively of Jack in his roles at Walkersteel, Flybe, etc. There were strike pickets outside Walkersteel at one point but they didn't even work for him! Being around Glasgow I guess you have heard the stories about Jock Stein? An even worse bully who didn't even tell a player that his wife had suffered a miscarriage. Claims he covered up numerous cases of child abuse. Ferguson considered him a friend, worked as his Scotland assistant and no doubt patterned some of his bullying nature after him. That's the type of lowlife he associated with. You wouldn't hear Celtic fans say a bad word about Stein (which perhaps says more about them) but Rovers fans of course are very unique. If Jack was a ruthless bastard he would have fired Don Mackay the second he walked in the door. He only gave him the opportunity out of kindness. Kidd would have been fired after relegation. I was disappointed by Hodgson's firing but looking back you can't defend most of his signings.

...and when did he ever bully or use crass language? He fired a few managers justifiably and no doubt fired some employees during his business career as well. That's not being horrible to people. If anything Jack was too nice whereas his family (and likes of Ferguson) are the absolute opposite. Anyway I didn't mean to take the thread off topic (I was only responding with a question for someone else) and given it's only page 2 plenty of time to get it back on track. I won't prevent that.

Jack Walker was 10000 times the man he is on his worst day. People need to know that. If that's what it took to drum that point across so be it.

He's bullied countless people and banned them. Many would enjoy seeing someone like that get a taste of their own medicine. Many people would be attracted to a club that is edgier and no nonsense. Kids in the area would see it as cool. That's the type of market that could be tapped (not in the way Ferguson often tapped)