I don't agree with that. I'm extremely confident that we wouldn't have been finishing top 10 this season with Mowbray in charge. If he had been replaced in January with us in 2nd place would it only have been acceptable if we were planning to finish 1st? Or would it just have been a shrewd attempt to prevent his inevitable yearly death spiral and ensure we make the playoffs? Finishing 8th was very much the exception for Mowbray and the club (since Venkys), it's not the standard to which I will hold the next manager. That's before we consider that the squad has been ripped asunder, the manager and DoF were appointed late, with the latter having no experience of his role, and the manager intends to impart a new style. It will take time and we have to be patient. A relegation scrap is unacceptable, but solidly midtable with signs of a better future is absolutely fine by me, this season. Next season I expect us to be challenging.

His contract was running down when he moved there? Ok so with 6 months on your deal you normally sell for about half your market value, so we can treat it like at the time he was worth about 1 million, rising to 3 million with add ons (which will never be triggered). That's ignoring that a top club would usually be paying a premium for the fact they're known to be rich. He was a proven quality defender at this level at that time, but since then he's played 23 games in 18 months. Just over a game a month. We'll take off pre-season and call it about 1.5 games a month. Really, his value should have dipped a bit, not increased. Hopefully, Liverpool get a bit more realistic than is being reported. A 4 million fee is excessive to begin with, and then you're expecting the buying club to deal with very high wage demands too. Maybe the 4 million quoted is inclusive of paying off the excess wage on his contract so he can be signed on more reasonable terms.

Magloire against Blackpool away is the most inept performance I've ever seen from a fullback, as far as I can remember.

If it's true, I'm mystified that Liverpool think they should get £4 million for a player who they signed for 500k (which they've already recouped from his last loan), who has never played for them since and they don't in any way need, from clubs who don't really have the money and will struggle to meet his (thanks to Liverpool) heavy wage demands. Irritating how the biggest clubs can get away with what is basically a transfer dud and come away with a huge profit.

He probably shouldn't repeatedly talk in the press about what our approach will be then. Unless that's a misdirection...I mean QPR will be surprised when we show up with the same pedestrian approach as under Mowbray eh?

Curious who you've got in mind. DM me if you don't want to say in public, if you don't mind that is.

The second year running that Macron have fucked up the stock order. I think the shirts so far have been pretty nice, and you can tell they're good quality when you touch them, but it really isn't acceptable for the kit sponsor to provide so little kit for two years running. I hope we had something in our contract with them about this, because it really should be a basic requirement. Don't think we should work with them again once the deal is up. The new away kit...I really like the badge detail ingrained like it was on last year's away shirt, it's a really lovely detail. The main issue with that detail is you have to get pretty close before you can tell it's there, but even so I like it. The away shirt itself is a bit bland for me though, and I don't believe in a team that wears blue and white at home having a blue away kit, even this dark. Our away colours should be red and black, every year. Play around with whether it's halves, stripes, etc sure, but those should be the colours pretty much every season. Experiment with other colours for the third kit (not that we would need one, because with one blue and white and one red and black kit I find it hard to foresee clashes).

There's zero reason that clubs wouldn't want to bring in a 27 year old on loan for a season. In fact it's usually a better bet than loaning an unproven youngster. Also, he went on loan to this league last season (Sheff U). He probably isn't expecting what he's on at Liverpool if he moves to the Championship. But it's about how much of that he can get. Like nearly all footballers, he will go wherever the wage is. If he is taking too much of a loss on his Liverpool contract, he might prefer to dig his heels in and keep his financial security. He's unlikely to achieve such a lucrative contract again in his career after all, even if he does well after his move.

No offence but I don't buy the 22k p/w Lenihan offer, and I won't be treating it as a fact at all. But if it is true we clearly dropped a bollock. It would mean we were always capable of paying him that, but decided he would eventually cave and take less, then realised too late he wouldn't and made our best offer to protect the asset. Which makes it a gamble that Waggott (I assume) cocked up. Which should be a firing offence on its own, as it's an asset loss that exceeds his own salary by a lot. I don't see us making a CB our highest paid player, probably by about 3/4k p/w though, and it has previously been said (I think by Waggott or TM but not sure) that we have a strict wage development system for graduates which is far crapper than what we pay new players. So that would have to have been tossed out the window too, for no gain, with future graduates knowing it isn't a policy we will stick to.

Some of them will be called upon, but unlikely to be all of them, and definitely not all at the same time. The result, away, is fairly creditable given the 11 we put out. In fact so far the second string have 4 'points' and the first string none. I'm not too worried unless we only sign about 4 players or less. I know they played 3 trialists tonight, but apart from that does anyone know how relatively strong this Dundee team was by its own standards?

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-davies-blackburn-rovers-transfer-24483822 Transfer update. All but confirms we are in for Davies, but that wages are the sticking point. Liverpool thought to want a permanent move, so if he is on monster wages it's not surprising that's a sticking point.

Most likely, without a clause, he would owe the club the remaining value of his contract if he walked out.

Game over, finished 1-1

Versatility...yes, he is crap in every position.

Fair enough, that shines a different light. I only glanced, I didn't deep dive. I assumed if he had played that many games he would have had a bunch of starts. That comes to about 6.5 games, and in and out of the team it's hard to find rhythm. A goal every 2 games is solid too, but of course a league under us and a smallish sample. Pompey may be desperate to get him back...but they're also desperate to get Carter back, who is currently our 3rd choice CB after 2 who were above him in the pecking order have left. He'll likely be 4th or 5th choice for us this season.

Before the deadline? Yes, I'd be very surprised. Would I be surprised if we only brought in say 3, rather than the 6 we need? Not particularly.

Not just your opinion on that one. In fact I'd be stunned if anyone thinks differently

But, that doesn't sound like him.... ...when did he start moving his feet?

Sounds like it's all one-way traffic in our favour so far. Magloire header cleared off the line now, with Wharton's followup deflected just wide. Pretty much nothing from Dundee on Sharpe's updates.

At 23 still a fairly young striker...but the season before last, he played in the Championship for Rotherham. 31 games...with no goals! Hope he was being played out of position or something if we're interested, because that's a terrible return for a striker. In fact it's no return. Did better last season with Portsmouth, 13 in 40, but in League One. Has had good goal returns for England youth teams up to U20s. On paper it's a no thanks from me. No idea if the source has any credibility.

Then again... 7:49pm Good play from Markanday to get to the byline, but Hedges can't get the right connection to his pull-back (0-0) 7:48pm Great cross-field pass from Garrett to free Edun who shows good pace to get onto the ball. He pulls it back but Hedges can't quite take it in his stride He also put Leonard through for a good chance though.

Nah I think we know enough about Magloire now to know he won't benefit our squad.

It's just a friendly, and he will probably feel comfortable against a team relegated from his old league. Just a feeling. Not saying he will score many this season. 33 goals according to wiki, not 22. Plus the one for Wales u19 makes 34. Which isn't a great return but he is a winger primarily.

Presumably just based on how they've trained so far.

You have, he is Dundee's manager.