Dunno. I think maybe Tony likes the idea of a young, skilful, natural winger careening down the flanks a lot more than he wants to actually take the 'risk' on it? He should have had more chances by now I agree, but it isn't happening so I think he needs to play competitively elsewhere for a bit to try force the issue.

I can live with that. Since we are supposedly about to tie someone up on loan for his areas of the pitch, it makes sense to let him out. He simply isn't going to get chances here right now so he is going to waste. This way, maybe he tears up League One and TM is forced to take him seriously next season. If it was between him and Brereton being loaned out though, I'd very much have preferred BB went out.

It was. The day after the window shut, if I remember it rightly. And many of us pointed out this risk, with trepidation. We have set ourselves up to the possibility of the exact same thing happening again. If Lenihan gets injured, suddenly we are having to play Williams or Mulgrew, and that won't be a good thing at all. Doesn't sound like a CB is remotely a target, so we haven't learnt a single thing. Lenihan is prone to injuries too.

It wouldn't do us much good if some club was willing to pay 15 million for Nyambe. There's no way they would start with that bid, having seen us sell the likes of O'Connell, Cairney and Raya for far less than we should. They would just enter a bid of say 5 million and good ole Tony would say 'Yeh that matches what I think he is worth, and it must be their final offer, let's sell'.

It really is (though I think the owners may consider it a convenient excuse). Rule changes always seem to come at the wrong times for us. Like how the Champions League used to only be for Champions. Until pretty much right after we stopped finishing top 4. We would have had another what, 2 CL campaigns if it had been top 4 back then?

Nope. Seen Madon and bbrovers post before anyone else and it come true. Unleaded also named quite a few that went absolutely nowhere, like not even mentioned in the press. But he also came up with real info (years and years ago last I saw).

Left back, funnily enough

What I would suggest is ignoring the criticism. Post info on a take it or leave it basis (answering polite questions if able) and ignore anyone who doesn't believe it. It's not your problem whether they do or don't, and you just get embroiled in a pointless circular argument. It's just strangers on the internet after all, and strangers on the internet like to get testy with people in ways they wouldn't in person, due to the internet being impersonal.

He will go for a lot less? His release clause has already been met twice. Sounds like wage negotiations with both those clubs have fallen through though. Maybe during that those clubs have said they'll give him what he wants in the summer when there is no fee to pay too though. Strange game of hardball from Peterborough. They insist his release clause must be met (and have got lucky in a couple of clubs meeting it even though he is free in six months). Yet he absolutely isn't going to play for them again. So they're saying they're willing to throw say, 1.5 million away, which surely would be cheap enough for contract negotiations to prevail if they lowered their price to something like that, even though they won't be using the asset again. Not sure who they expect to believe that. The fact that they've said they don't want to play him again may even have contributed to contract talks failing, as clubs are unlikely to believe that they won't sell cheaper last minute since they don't plan to use him anymore. Personally I suspect we did come in for him, as I thought it was really odd TM said that clubs want 2.5 million or 3 million for players. 2.5 million is a very specific figure, and one I've only heard this window in relation to MM. We probably offered about 1 million and got told which orifice to put it up.

Be really interested if you're trying to provide information here or just speculating.

Yeh maybe. With all the supposed interest in permanent wingers like Curtis and the Polish lad though, I suspect we thought 'we want a good permanent signing on the wing, but we will take this loan as a plaster if that doesn't work out'

It wasn't said that a loan signing was imminent a week ago. The wording used was along the lines of, a deal is set up for if we decide to finalise it. We may have changed our minds since, or be waiting to see how everything else pans out.

Yep, absolutely you can distort the run of form stat in all sorts of ways. I just thought this one was interesting, and a little impressive given it includes our pretty shit recent run before the Wednesday game. It also shows how inconsistent this league is and that all you need is consistency. Still say we need key reinforcements to get enough of that consistency over the remainder of the season.

Absolutely crucial to sign at least two good ones if we want to have any chance of scraping playoffs, yes. My pick would be to get a left back and a goalie. But I'd love to get a CB too, one injury there and we will look very bare indeed. Lenihan is known to get injured. If we got all three plus a good wing prospect like Maddison, Curtis or the Polish lad, I'd give us a very good chance of managing it. Anything short of that and it will take everybody hitting and maintaining form, with some luck on injuries. And the manager not sabotaging us. And no, I don't remotely expect us to sign all of those.

Because he has only been manager at the puny Solhill Moors, had easily the greatest years of his career here, and we will probably have two new keepers by summer, plus two promising youth ones? Plus, better money I expect.

Wow, just seen a Facebook post showing the form table for the last 12 matches. Dunno if it is accurate, but it has us top of the league for those 12 games!! Incredible when you think the Sheff Weds game was, if I recall, one that gave us only one win out of seven games. Oh to have not thrown away those cheap points...

Yeh weird decision. No way would I see my winger roasting Bell and say to him 'Hey, you know what, why don't you switch that over and go take on that fucking beast Nyambe on the other side?' Madness.

Ah that makes more sense, he just used the wrong forename then. Not sure what we would benefit from an 18 year old CM (by the look of it). Sure he will fit in better at Sunderland for now.

Sorry mate I'm confused here. Thought we were on about Joe Garner, the striker, who came through our youth team? Are we on about a different Joe Garner, or has he started playing DM now?

I've edited the post you quoted, if you take another look that may resolve it in your head.

Even less PL than the original poster said then. Would still be a good player in League One I expect.

No mate. Sold, to Brentford. Then sold on to Sheff U. Not released. Never played a game for Bury in his life. Not sure why you're trying to correct me before looking it up. Memory is unreliable pal. You may be thinking of a different player? John O'Sullivan was loaned to Bury, later released by us, currently plying his trade at Morecambe but never kicked a football for Sheff U. You might be confusing the two? We received a bid for him at the same time as O'Connell, for about the same 500k fee. Bizarrely (not with hindsight, I said the same at the time) we rejected the O'Sullivan offer and sold O'Connell. Shoulda done it the other way.

Another site also getting it wrong doesn't change my view. Like I say, I didn't see all of it, but I saw Bell botch up enough to still be highly concerned by him. Sofascore gave Nyambe the same score as Walton, Gallagher and Holtby, that's why I mentioned those three. They had him as joint worst with 3 others, so including himself, his score was in the lowest third or so of the team. Thought he had another great game.

I missed a few chunks of the game but I saw Bell fuck up royally on at least three occasions. Nyambe meanwhile, was rampant.

Joe Garner plays for Wigan.