Was Bob the head of Venkys London or Kentaro ?

He knew the plans ....

Yep there was a reason the Klitschkos weren't keen on fighting in the USA they new sooner or later they'd get stitched up. When belts leave their shores the Yanks don't like it and will do anything to get them back there or keep them. Manny got stiched v Tim Bradley, Khan in a fight as well once I think then you look at the GGG v Canello fight and that scoring.

The way it was engineered as soon as Vitali gave up the WBC it was always going to find it's way straight to Wilder then when the IBF pinched the belt back Fury had won it ends up in the hands of Charles fliipin Martin. People including me call Hearn at times but he played an absolute blinder getting Martin straight over here by offering huge money because they knew a raw inexperienced AJ would smash him otherwise that would have ended up in Wilders hands pretty quickly.

It was a masterstroke straight out of the Don King handbook when he lavished money on Bruno only months after he'd finally won it to go and be Mike Tyson's sacrifice again in his second coming after Frank won the belt off Dons man McCall.

Maybe Fury isn't that daft after all at least he's got people believing he's still a champ years later when he could have lost it again quickly by actually fighting

Wilders talking nonsense they offered him 4 million a career highest purse or something to come here and fight Dillian Whyte a fight he should be all over and he didn't want to know. That would have raised his profile over here and in Europe and got the winner a guaranteed shot at Joshua should he still be unbeaten yet he's papping on oh AJ has to come to the USA to be recognised as the real champ.

Total bull the UK is now widely recognised as the home of HW boxing the US has been out of that for about 15 years after the last great generation got old and the Klitschkos and some other Eastern Europeans took over. Wilder is running scared all the onus is on him he's untested against the divisions best, has been steered very skilfully around fights and is unknown and unappreciated largely in his home country despite his spectacular record because the majority of his opponents are club fighters.

IMO he's good and has nothing to fear it's a 50/50 fight all day long but he simply has to come to Joshua not the other way around because AJ holds all the cards and most of the other coveted belts and England has Wembley and 90k fans waiting.

1 hour ago, 47er said:

I think Oystons will show as much care and diligence in the sale of the club as the Walker Trust did.

Get the wheels greased under the table in similar fashion. Pity tantric has retired he would have dug up a pot of cash thrown together in some dark corner of the world by some unofficial syndicate no doubt.

I think they'll flog the club as quick as they can and use those funds to try and stave off paying out the 31 million which would probably bankrupt them personally.

1 hour ago, Oldgregg86 said:

It also helps the fans and press new why the oystons had Blackpool and who exactly owned the club . We however still have no idea why the continue to own us and who actually pulls the strings. When we find out this we can find ways to hit the right people where it hurts . Until then our cause is disjointed and will never be  unified with very minimal if any impact. Still great news for them and I hope they get all the success they deserve. We can but live in hope xx

Yep they cut away anyone who might challenge them when they saw what was going on and now we just have a spineless puppet and a guy who should have resigned his guest directorship on principle years ago.

They seem to have got away scot free though which is a bit odd.

2 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Let's hope it ends positively with a sale to some decent owners. But...many a slip twixt cup and lip etc

Aye wouldn't at all be surprised if Oyston stitches them up somehow or retains a stake but it would seem they are desperate for cash now and won't want to dip into their personal wealth so I guess it's anything goes ...

Very pleased for them the way they've stuff at it and stuck to their guns they deserve it and it shows karma does always get served eventually, I hope the vile Oystons end up in a B&B in a stinking Blackpool back street somewhere.

Sadly for us and handily for them they've been able to target those responsible on almost a daily basis but at the end of the day it did take one wealthy business man going after another to end up with this result.

Bleeding money out with the help of a 3rd party, that old chestnut.

I know a few Bolton diehards and they were convinced Gartside was on the take long before this they absolutely detested the fella and it seems our old friends had fingers in the Bolton pie a long time ago. Just consider the stage managed exit of Coyle from Burnley to Bolton thoroughly greased in the press by yes you've guessed it the fat red top muck raker . So much so that he was receiving all manor of threats from the great unwashed and couldn't go near the Turd for a good while.

But of course good old Owen has never heard of them.

6 minutes ago, Vinjay17 said:

Yeah well my view is he was better than Redfearn or Slade. I felt the same way about Magoo that there could have been worse but his record was poor aside from one promotion. Just like Coyle.

I don't know why Coyle denied knowing SEM or whatever. Maybe he just lied about whatever tenuous link he previously had not anything major that still existed. 

There was a lawsuit. It wasn't played out in a very public fashion but it happened. Anderson was one of the people they felt provided bad advice. Rishi Sikka who made that Venkys doc and has spoken to Pasha before even said why would they like JA? Awful lot of effort also for a smokescreen and I just don't buy that theory.

Bad advice as I said.

Because Venkys are plain incompetent.

 

lol you'd have gone off your rocker if it was Joyce with the UTD connection

They plumped for Coyle because he was another of their agents yes men and he was cheaper. Cheston lied about it and Coyle himself lied in public, absolutely no need for that whatsoever unless your covering up.

2 minutes ago, perthblue02 said:

According to Nick Harris the F***wits v Kentaro stuff was settled out of court.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4480682/Who-guilty-trashing-historic-club-like-Blackburn.html

Be interesting to actually see the documents related to this

 

Yet their continued connections remain long after so I wonder just what exactly that settlement was ?

You keep throwing us a bone and we won't tell what we know about you or something along those lines.

If you don't sniff foul play in the Coyle appointment Vinjay I think you need the doc with that cold it must've been on you a long time. Even the clubs one and only home based director couldn't tell the truth on that one.

As for the alleged Kentaro lawsuit why hasn't all the details of this come to light ? Did it every actually go through or was it just posturing or even a smokescreen to put the FA off the scent ?

And if it did go ahead just what were they suing for exactly ?   Why didn't similar steps get taken towards Anderson himself and SEM ?

The Berg contract ended up in court and all the details are there, why did that contract get altered AFTER it was agreed then signed off by Shaw without permission of a head V ?

7 minutes ago, lraC said:

Absolutely and I bet Valeri Belokon, doesn't invest in any more Companies with any Oyston connection. Once you have had your fingers burnt, you stay clear, but these lot keep going back for more.

Yep Belokon got burnt after he'd spent his money funding a promotion drive only for them to then give it him back and cream all the profits themselves at the expense of the prosperity of the club.

Think he realised pretty soon he'd got in bed with snakes but his money was tied up although he turned off his taps and has been on the fans side ever since.

From the outside looking in it seems 3rd parties here have used Venky money to fund the continuing dismantling of the playing side of the club and diverting as much as possible into their own pockets.

Personally I think it goes deeper than that certainly where Barry conman and his cronies are concerned.

10 minutes ago, lraC said:

That's exactly what I have been saying for a while. What causes Venkys to keep going back to them, time after time, for more bad advice?

Either a contract, unofficial shareholders or covering up it always comes back to one or all of those.

In any line of business or even friendship you only listen to bad advice once, twice if your generous but 3 strikes and your out. If it's costing tens of millions per year you'd be suing your own mother never mind a friend like 'one of the family'.

1 hour ago, blueboy3333 said:

I read it. You are saying their (O's) mistake was to take money out of the club themselves rather than get third parties to take it out? So you're saying essentially that Venky's bought the club and have incurred significant losses in order to enrich 3rd parties like JA?

Yes correct that's  what I'm saying ,...... about the Oystons.

You added the other bit yourself but bottom line is if they'd used agents it would have cost them but they'd have got away with a huge wad and been able to put it down to bad advice.

Besides that doesn't it strike you that the Vs don't particularly care that huge amounts have gone into Anderson and co's pockets ?

Either that or they couldn't/can't do anythjng sbout it 

2 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

'All'. They've siphoned off the club's money and sued the fans who said as much. Hardly the same as what has gone on at Ewood.

Read the whole post i'm clearly pointing to how 'they' have gone about their scam compared to Rovers.

All Oystons have done at Blackpool is freeze out the agents and didn't wheel and deal in big money big contract players and kept the profits themselves whereas at Rovers a myriad of people have taken the money generated by tv income and big contract/fee wheeler dealing.

About time those here are brought to book, if Oystons followed a similar path to the happenings here they'd probably have got away with it by having 3rd parties bleed the money out but it would have cost them commission of course.

Rovers has been stitched up good and proper by a set of thieves who clearly knew what they were doing and a bunch of idiots who didn't.

12 hours ago, Skiptonrover said:

I think there'll ride it out as there did with the BHS & all that got hushed up eventually. Not a marriage made in heaven but somehow it works in a weird perverse way don't see much changing not longterm.

Sounds like Venkys, SEM/Kentaro, Cressendo, Anderson, Kean etc and Blackburn Rovers really.

Hush hush

WBC are a farce they might as well just have given that belt straight to Wilder once Vitali retired.

I don't know if syphon is the right term for Oyston i think at one point they just wrote themselves a cheque for 11 million from the tv money or something so it was blatant thieving.

Syphoning is a bit more complex, hard to prove, has a variety of ways it could be applied and there is no evidence to say it doesn't go on at other clubs. 

Sheer arrogance has undone Oyston, not for the first time.

Classic example last night of why Wilder has held on to that WBC belt, tough oppo gets pulled out on him yet again so he gets fed an unfit bum who he's already beaten coming in for a pay cheque.

No doubting the guy has lead in his fists and is seriously quick but someone somewhere is going to hit him back one day. Contrast to Joshua who after what should be a difficult opponent pulls out he get's the IBF no 3 stepping in who's been training as back up since the original fight was announced not just coming off his sofa at 12 days notice as some would make believe.

WBC is the top belt but rankings and officials are a farce it was the same in the 90's. They must've been gutted when Vitali had that strap well away from the USA but now it's back they'll not let it go easy. He won't come over here to defend it just like he swerved the Klitschko bros in Germany despite the belts being over there.

Which striker is going to get played on the wing now last 20 of every game I wonder

3 hours ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Suppose you can only beat what is in front of you but by God,that for me is one damming statement on the poor quality of Heavyweight Boxing at present.

Your right about lack of depth of real quality in the HW div compared to previous generations, there's been a void of a real good pool of heavies for over a decade now. These days the top guys are absolute giants though following on from the marker set down by the Klitschko brothers so unless they fight each other you won't often get good technical boxing matches.

Fury struggled plenty times with much smaller very limited bar room brawlers but looked good v Wlad as did AJ. Smaller brawlers will always cause these guys probs and make it uneasy on the eye but they'll usually come up short. To be the boss you have to beat all types of shapes sizes and styles.

Iron Mike in his pomp thrived and taking bigger guys out for fun his unique style was tailor made for it and he'd probably have mown down any of these lot when he was at his vicious best, he had probs with guys similar size and strength to him like Douglas and Holyfield were his bob and weave couldn't really work the angles the same as with bigger guys so he just slugged but his short arms meant he fell short whilst getting tagged himself. The Klitchkos on the other hand reversed that and figured out a style to beat everyone because nearly all were much smaller but had probs with big guys like themselves.

All about styles and fights but Joshua can box he picked his shots quite well at times last night although he still needs to get rid of some rawness.

Joshua needs to drop a bit of bulk imo and come in around 17.5 he always looks ready to gas midfight and people are cottoning on now although I know he was preparing was the much bigger Pulev but he put weight ON in the final week.

Thought he fought the right way though if a bit sluggish by his usual standards, real tough opponent but he's operating at top level now so these are the tests and he was probably the best guy he's fought up to now Klitschko aside. Lessons learned from the likes of Lewis and Wlad who slipped up badly early career against these types going looking to just blow them away.

Fair play to Takam the HW division needs guys like that and he probably did deserve to go out on his shield and I did get the impression the ref was looking all night to protect the homeboy once his hooter was bust. Unlikely he would have seen the final bell though but it robbed us paying punters of a final few exciting mins as he would have gone down swinging so you never know.

Worth noting he was playing Ward above Downing at times and probably would have done at Oldham regardless of who was fit apart fron Darragh.

He's a tinkermon !