44 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

Johnson and Dunn have worked very much as a team over the past eighteen months or so looking after the Under-21/Under-23's.  They work exceptionally well together and seem to compliment each other very well.

Being close to all this action has someone tipped you the nod that this is the plan if relegated ?

15 minutes ago, DE. said:

Exactly. Venky's entire business model in regards to Rovers needs to change and I don't see that happening. It's the same every transfer window - players linked, manager comments that he's waiting for the "green light" from India, most of the time the target ends up elsewhere. The only ones we do get are the players nobody else wanted and who were happy to wait the month or so it takes for Venky's to agree to anything. 

It's been a joke since day 1 and hasn't got any better. These idiots haven't learned a thing. 

I'd say they learned straight away, money in from players the first chunk disappears straight away then the rest of the instalments go towards bills servicing a huge debt running the show. Meanwhile you buy in on the drip which adds to the bank debt running the show. Hit the limit with that, parachutes run out so continue to sell and don't buy at all........simples.

Keeps investors happy and the bank for a while at least.

One thing you've got to keep in mind is Wilder is quick on his feet around the ring and should negate Fury's movement which everyone now goes on about but he had a 39 yr old robot shuffling after him who was just looking to put one down his pipe. That won't happen v the likes of Wilder or AJ they'll pin him down a hell of a lot quicker so we'd see how he actually fought guys nearly as big as himself big punches and quick hands.

All the questions remain unanswered with him yet. It's crazy but would be really interesting and I said after he beat Wlad that he'd beat Wilder but get nailed by AJ, I also thought at the time that Wilder would nail AJ. All about styles and I don't think there is one of them outright the best of this current era who will dominate the rest like previous times it's a real mixed bag. We'll have to see what version of Fury comes back if he actually does, could be he'll just go in bigger than before and try to bully his way around people. It'll take a lot of time and a hell of a lot of dedication to get near the shape he was in for that last fight. That was about 3 years in the making when he'd got a bit of momentum and big fights were on the horizon so it kept him focused despite the cancellations.

Lets not forget the assisted methods which may have helped him get in shape/lose weight, take his mind off things. They won't be an option this time around.

Just basing the Wilder thing on the fact he's been around a while and kept beating what's been put in front of him. He's been the most active and he's defended his belt five times. Outside of Klitchsko he's the main man on paper surely.

His CV still stacks up better than anything on Fury's pre Wlad though so just because he pulled it off in that one doesn't make him the man either. History is littered with one off heavyweight champs that's all i'm saying.  I've never bought into the 'he's the man because he beat the man' stuff proper champs defend the belts not run off and hide after their partying ways have left them out of shape and nursing long term Monday blues.

Not sure on Parker but then again i'm not sure of Hughie either (surprise). Just going off the fact Parker can bang a bit.

Seen him twice when dragged there by an ex GF and despite him not being my cup of tea I was surprised how good he was. Played about 2 hours almost non stop which was impressive and he nailed most songs. It was a while ago so I don't know how he sounds these days but would agree a stadium is better than an arena for his type of stuff.

One of the last of the true entertainers who tries his best to give the moneys worth i'd say.

He's still standing though..

Hayes a bit deluded now sadly and he can't sit still for two mins which won't help  but I think he needs the cash so he'll rush back and probably end up the same way if it's good opposition then his leg will be knackered for good.   Maybe he can get away with fighting another nobody for a few quid in his first fight back though seeing as he had a bad injury. It's a gimme really so i'm sure that will appeal.

Burns beats Crolla for me, good fighter Anthony but not in that top bracket I don't think, got a schooling on Sat night by a real top guy.

Parker I think will have too much for the other suspected roider and the top guy around is Wilder he's kept going and kept winning although he's been steered away from the other very top guys. I think that's been more about trying to create a couple of super fights to maximize the most money from than anything else though. Neverheless his record suggests he's the no 1.

.onI'd like to see evidence of Wlad avoiding him ?  Because it didn't happen and I think most of Fury's stuff when he was rising up was tailored for him to meet Haye hence the blown up cruisers he was pitched in with ( and had a bit of bother with  ).   There was no logical reason he would have been put in with Klitschko until he'd earned the right by beating someone of note which was supposed to be Haye but turned out to be Chisora.

Without sifting through his record, holding all the belts Wlad was always going to be busy with genuine mandatories I suppose Something Fury really didn't fancy once he became champ obviously.

Anyway we'll put this on ice for 18 months and see what happens in regards to the big guy........ not much though I don't think

14 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

A bit blinded? The guy is undefeated. 25-0.

Until such time as someone gives him a decent fight I'll use my own judgement over those that think he is crap.

Bums don't win Heavyweight titles. I dont get carried away with the personal stuff surrounding Fury, just focus on his ability and skill set. His size alone suggests he would be a handful for most as they always find out.

Pulled it off v 'the man' but that's been quite common in heavyweight div down history and not many were nearly 40. Before that most of his performances were mediocre as were his fitness levels and his most notable victory was against a rather disinterested Chisora. Apart from that he's beaten no one so the 25 - 0 isn't exactly what it's cracked up to be. He struggled to get past some rather average domestic heavies and blown up cruisers.

Yes his sheer size will obviously always mean he's a handful and as long as he can avoid being smashed on the chin he'll probably remain unbeaten. I've seen signs in him though that a few decent blows and I reckon he'll fold, he's been decked twice and a couple of other times his legs have stiffened and his eyes wide eye almost like Audley. He's never been in a brawl with a proper heavy and if he'd had the rematch he'd have probably had to have another fight or two by now and not against whoever they picked so we'd have a better picture. He'd also never shown much sigh of the rapid light on his toes movement he suddenly was able to conjure up against Wlad, a robotic opponent.

Like I said i'm probably a bit bias because I hare the Fury mob they think they can do whatever they want and fight when they want and i'll file Saunders down in that as well. I've been following HW boxing for about 30 years and although no expert at all he's got it all to prove and in a very moderate era indeed but some just delight in him beating the man, disappearing on the lash the hiding behind this 'lineal champ' rollocks.

My prediction on all this is that he's only showing signs of coming back now because he's convinced Wlad will beat AJ and he'll be eyeing the rematch and more importantly another 10 million cheque. If AJ wins Fury will suddenly lose interest again i'd wager, it's all about the money for him, can't blame him I suppose, for me though he takes the whizz but some just lap it up.

Anyway it's a bit like the Venky debate, until he proves otherwise you'll have him down as the mythical champ and i'll file him with the Akinwande's.

22 hours ago, onlyonejackwalker said:

25 stone. Tomps the guy is 6 foot 9! When he fights at 18 stone 7 he is stripped right down. He is bound to get heavier between fights, not that I condone his massive beer belly of course.

He has been big for years and no-one has mentioned PEDS. Even now the governing body don't seem to know their ass from their elbow with regards to this. At the moment he is banned for cocaine not PEDS, hearing early in May. (Which confirms he is very unlikely to fight in May as you stated).

Not sure what more Fury could have done thoughout his career. Bitchko avoided him for years forcing him into eliminators, then got his ass whipped on his home turf when they met. Price avoided him, Haye ducked him twice, only Chisora fancied the job and he was easily handled.

At the end of the day the guy is massive and any current heavyweight would have problems with him. We will soon see how poor an ageing Klitchko is when he fights Joshua. Obviously hope Joshua sparks him out as soon as possible but have a funny feeling the fight will surprise one or two, including Joshua.

Meanwhile Fury's trash talk is exactly that. Having listened to Chisora, Whyte, Bellew, Haye, Darry Matthews, Ohara Davies etc lately, it is clear that Fury does nothing that many others believe perfectly acceptable.

 

Sorry pal not wanting to fall out lol but our opinions vary massively on Fury. Your a bit blinded as far as he's concerned for some reason but that's up to thee.

Guys a jioke from a family of dodgy @#/?s and if he's been bashing the coke chances are he's been on PEDS as well. Got Wlad at the right time then ducked rematch AND any mandatories by going on the @#/? which no doubt added to his mental problems. He's a bum

Triple G versus Jacobs this weekend is an interesting fight. Jacobs a natural middle who can bang and GGG taking a few shots last time out v Brook. Can't see past Golovkin getting the job done in 6 but he'll meet someone who'll stand up to him sooner or later so this might be a test for him.

5 hours ago, thorpefleet said:

I am Happy with the appointment. I can see a vast improvement in the squad . Thank you T.M.

I know We were told it was a short time 18 month contract or something, But I wonder if we can get him on permanently?

I wonder what others think? We  have a strong Manager who can see how a game is and can nodify the squad to its potential.

I like the football I am seeing .

please venkies try to get T.M   .. 

Lets just hope that if safety is gained then at the end of the season we don't suddenly find out TM has a 6 month get out clause like Lambert. Cost cutting could reign with him stepping down sighting lack of investment and downscale making the prospect of his job near impossible. Then in step Dunn & Lowe with half the youth team making up the first 11 next season.

Another season and a half survival being the target before the new crop is ready to sell. I really wouldn't rule anything out with this lot you couldn't trust them to tell you the correct time !

2 hours ago, Athlete said:

Unfortunately most agents p in the same pot... There are some good ones out there who work well for clients and clubs but Rovers just get certain connected ones in the same ring..endorsed by bazzas friend perhaps 

Certainly seems so it's almost as if the club has to be filled with 75% their clients one way or another.

8 hours ago, expatrover said:

As a matter of interest, does anybody know which agent represents TM ?..............

Whoever it is i bet he's heard of them if asked ! Would be no surprise to find they are connected to the usual underbelly either.

1 hour ago, RV Blue said:

People on here think they're in on it, remember that part ownership @#/?? I think they are just incredibly stupid. Not sure where you've got 'outraged' from, I'm certainly not outraged. You aren't bright enough to have such a big mouth.

Balaji's best friend like one of the family, football investment funds popping up backed by who i wonder ? managers sacked out the blue then nearly always replaced by left field 30-1 shots. Players being signed from obscure places where Venkys just happen to have arms of their companies. Their financial input almost dries up the min the parachutes end, etc etc etc

Hardly surprising it's suspected at least one (big) one of them has been in bed with the 'partners' all along.

18 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Jesus, Jordan Slew, I forgot about him. Crazy times. 

As for the Portuguesers , if they were on 10,000 a week, I would eat my hat. Why did they leave to mickey mouse leagues for less money so?? 

Paid off probably. There was info flying around about them a while back, tabloid journos not just BRFCS speculation. Contrary to what you seem to think a dozen posters or so don't just run around making stuff up on here there has been a lot dripped out via various other sources over the years.

Just now, blueboy3333 said:

Jordan Slew was on 10k. He cost £1m.

It's frightening how much money Kean and Anderson were allowed to waste. The club has paid for it ever since*

 

 

*Yes, I know it's ultimately Venky's fault.

Global idiot put all the Portugeezer unknowns straight onto 10k pwk as well allegedly.

Shambolic stuff.

Wasn't it just implied that a certain agent on behalf of another was doing his best to get as many youth as possible on to their books, whatever the contracts might have been. By doing so yet again navigating around the conflict of interest issue ?

Just now, Bigdoggsteel said:

I don't know. Did he? 

If he did, is that such a bad thing? He was seen as being a good prospect here and I wouldn't say 5,000 is crazy money. Not sure it has worked out for him though. 

It seemed a bit excessive at the time seeing as he only had a few games and was probably going from five hundred per week. I was also led to believe it was plus bonuses and on a sliding upward scale so god knows how much it became. Young Adam was quick to tell his former school pals how much he was getting when on the lash regularly, it certainly didn't do him any favours.

Point is if this is the kind of deals they were signing youth up on at the time it won't have helped the wage bill and also will have lumbered the club with a few who nobody else would take when they failed to make the grade here.

On 3/12/2017 at 1:45 PM, Bigdoggsteel said:

What is a big contract for a youth player? Is Mahoney on his books? 

Didn't Henley get a 5 year 5k pwk deal from Kean ?

Just now, Athlete said:

a lot of fans including numerous posters on here still don't want to believe it ...heads buried in sand comes to mind

Yep some just come back with 'well all players have agents' true but there is one lot in particular here with a few others satelliting around them it seems.

They might just batten down the hatches for a while once they've got a load of youth on their books and one or two others in the team. Club run on income parity near enough to outgoings whilst they hope the new crop grows to flog off in a season or 2. To achieve that will see massive cuts in summer the likes of which Nixon alluded to and there is no real reason to think it won't happen unless the main sponsors have a change of heart and keep a championship budget. Then someone like TM might keep us treading water a bit longer.

5 hours ago, Dunnfc said:

Simon Conning was brought in by Jerome Anderson as he was a SEM agent.

Jerome got all the youth to sign up to Simon Conning Consulting agency.

That's why some of the youth were on obscene contracts.

Most roads keep leading back to the same place yet some still won't accept Rovers are just a vehicle for a certain set of agents underpinned by Indian sponsors using it for their own non football purposes and a huge wad of debt.

Until it's released from this grasp it'll keep going in ever decreasing circles until there is nothing left to bleed because there is virtually no income. 

Only beaten by top opposition and rose to the occasion several times when a big underdog and showed the heart of a true warrior when up against it in possibly his last fight.

Yep all about opinions 

55 minutes ago, Gav said:

Where have you been for the last 2 months Tomphil?

Hype hype and more hype with no end product for Bellew, exactly the same before the Klitschko fight where he never landed 1 meaningful punch, not 1 and I've not even started on his superb athletic ability which resulted in his supposed foot injury against Klitschko and Bellew.

When push came to shove he failed, miserably, but we'll agree to disagree.

Whats this nonsense about Mayweather fighting Conor McGregor? he said yesterday he's officially out of retirement for the fight? at boxing I presume not UFC?

Absolute farce if it goes ahead, Mayweather is one of the best fighters of all time, McGregor belongs on the fairgrounds with the rest of UFC,

 

 

 

 

Iv'e been where i always have been and that's watching plenty boxing not just tuning in for big fights and assuming what i'm seeing is the total of one mans career summed up in one fight.

Like i clearly said Haye isn't everyone's cup of tea as a bloke but to say he's all hype is farcical. Yes he made a tit of himself in this build up but he's done a job on those who bought into it and subsequently bought the fight hoping to see what they saw, think about that for a min.

Career wise Cruiserweight world champ, unified those titles, moved to heavy and won world title, won big fights on foreign soil. Injury robbed him from possibly adding to that. After a farcical second come back fight aside a game effort at 36 years old against a class opponent who's probably hit his peak.

Gobshite maybe but to brush him off all hype is a bit off the mark imo he's probably just reached the end as a top level fighter, happens to them all.