Appalling display from Kaminsky, when you're playing the best team in the League you need everyone at the very least to do their jobs competently and not make any basic mistakes and he failed to do that today. Up until his howler for the first I thought we competed well but given the current lack of goals in the side if we conceded the first goal it was always likely to be game over and so it proved. Five points from twenty one and the January transfer business looks more horrific by the week. Can't wait until the end of the season and Mowbray hopefully sods off.

That's great news if correct.

Optimism usually has some foundation in reality. That's just being silly.

Last chance saloon for any play off hopes I fear. Need 3 points by any means necessary to stop the rot. Looking ahead we need some improved form and a few goals as well.

He has to go now doesn't he? Try and salvage something out of the season. God only knows where the next goal is coming from let alone the next win.

As a season ticket holder I'd be very annoyed to be battling for a play off ticket with somone who'd bought a bundle for the last 5 games who had equal priority.

This bundle would be fine in theory if we were still in the thick of the promotion mix by the last five games but my initial reaction is that it's far too late in the season. Automatic promotion already seems extremely unlikely. if we've also played ourselves out of play off contention by that time we'll be flogging a dead horse. Smacks of trying to promote an offer for the Sheff Utd game in the immediate aftermath of a record 0-7 home loss v Fulham.

Sunderland fans seem to hasve sussed him out pretty quickly as did most of us. I'm not sure what it says about the various managers here including the present incumbent who kept playing him and giving him new contracts. As with Jason Lowe a case of if your face fits I guess.

Find it disappointing that as a key member of the Fans Forum you're treating the matter so flippantly John.

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Sorry the site doesn't seem to be working properly for me on my mobile at the moment. Can't quote and it's spacing like the post above. Any suggestions?

Really enjoyed the Khan v Brook fight, that undercard though, Christ you could hhave got better opponents down the Pub than the muppets the prospects were facing.

Waggott has sent the Millwall fans back with some "perishable food" according to Lancs Live. Adding "It's a little gesture but enough". Talk about adding insult to injury Saves us having to throw it away I suppose. You couldn't make it up.

Taking all that as read and especially being aware of all the existing problems then surely that's all the more reason to take the simple precaution of covering the pitch close to a game during spells of exceptionally bad weather then?

We haven't had any actual explanation of why the game was postponed. If as you're insinuating it was postponed due to excess water on the pitch, pretty clear it should have been covered with two storms passing through and known drainage problems with the pitch then?

No point arguing about this, have to agree to disagree, if you're correct then seemingly the manufacturers of the pitch heating technology don't understand how their own products work. Unless of course the 30 year old system at Ewood operates in a different way to modern ones.

I think myself and Mercer were the ones who attempted to to introduce some factual content to the debate by explaining how under soil heating works. And it backs up my complaints. Ok, let's assume the heating is working but that we thought it wasn't cold enough for the heating to be on. In that case the snow must have caught us on the hop. If the heating is on in advance of the snow the game goes ahead unless the drainage on the pitch isn't good enough to deal with the excess water. If the latter is the case, don't bother with tghe heating but cover the pitch instead.

Says who? Surely the whole point of it is to have it switched on in advance of any anticipated snow so that it melts on contact with the pitch. If your drainage can't then cope with the amount of precipitation coming down then that's a separate issue.

Similar to what I read Mercer. The situation yesterday is quite simple, if the Club had had the pitch in an acceptable condition, the referee would not have called the game off and it would have gone ahead. People are quick to blame the referee but it seems our manager and CEO could not even agree on whether the game should go ahead. It has been said Mowbray wanted the game called off due to the risk of long term damage to the pitch and Waggott wanted to "give it a try". What an absolute shambles. It seems to me pretty clear that if you have operational undersoil heating and have remembered to switch it on and decent drainage you should never have a game called off due to the condition of the pitch caused by snow and ice. I dont think the temperature has actually gone below freezing in the last few days so maybe it wasn't deemed cold enough to put the undersoil heating on (if it still works) and maybe the flurry of snow caught us completely by surprise. (Though I don't know why it should). What isn't in dispute though after the postponement last season and yesterday's debacle and the Preston game that we struggle to get the pitch into an acceptable condition when there is a reasonable amount of precipitation of either sort. That being the case, and given the fact the entire pitch wasn't replaced in summer, why cant we take one or two extra precautions to safeguard against this? At the Preston game there were two blokes with tiny handheld devices trying in vain to remove excess water off the pitch prior to kick off. My mate who's a former professional golfer and who is familiar with the technology used to clear golf courses commented that the equipment (if you can call it that) was insufficient to clear an area that size and we needed a couple of large machines you sat on. If we're leaving the pitch for the time being, why can't we have the foresight to invest in /rent something like that and/or some pitch covers? You'd expect better organisation at non League level. How much must that postponement have cost us yesterday? Especially with the ill fated 2 game bundle in effect? How many double refunds will we have to give?

In that condition, it's not fit to play is it?

Seems strange that they (according to Waggott) won't sanction a relatively small investment of c £2.5m in the pitch when amongst other things they're prepared to inject £30m into the Club to cover losses during a pandemic and forgo fees for Lenihan/Nyambe/Rothwell etc....... But then I supposse you can believe every word Waggott says. Just ask Andy Cole.

I'm sure I remember the Club making a mid morning request for the fans to come down and clear the snow covered pitch in the old 3rd division days mid 70.s and the game going ahead.

The pitch and associated infrastructure i.e. drainage and heating should have been completely replaced in summer of that there is no doubt. However Waggott was the one who boldly announced it to deflect criticism after a game was called off due to a waterlogged pitch at roughly this point last season. If he didn't have authority to go ahead, he shouldn't have announced it. I doubt the owners were even asked.

Just had a quick look at undersoil heating on the internet and can't see any support whatsoever for the assertion that you can't use undersoil heating in heavy snow, in fact the general gist appears to be exactly the opposite in that the entire purpose of the system is to raise the temperature of the underside of the pitch to a point which avoids a build up of things like snow and ice. It's also mentioned that it improves players traction, which if the refereee was concerned about players' safety would again tend to suggest the undersoil heating hadn't been on. (if it's still operational that is)

Perhaps the ref was assuming we'd be able to clear the pitch properly and not have it half covered with snow and half not by 2.15 p,m,?