RevidgeBlue

We've been over this time and time again and we will never agree on it but no, if Waggott and Mowbray had done their jobs and tied them all down when they should have done the issue would never have arisen in the first place. We could have kept them temporarily for a promotion push AND sold them for sizeable fees after if we'd so wished.

I'd rather play Mcfadzean up front than Gallagher. At least he might ruffle a few feathers.

Maybe it's me being old fashioned but I was irritated by the supporters in the JW Stand who were sat near the players fist bumping Chrisene as he made his way back to his seat after being substituted. If he'd scored a goal or we were 3 up maybe. But at 1-0 down? Are they that desperate to catch the attention of someone who isn't even our player? I'd have been looking steadfastly the other way. Bah Humbug!

Odd considering Waggott was going around telling people privately the owners had granted him and Mowbray a very considerable one off war chest. Of course we'll never know if there was any truth to that but part of the alleged potential windfall was the promotion bonuses which were actually subsequently widely publicised in the LT.

IF all the hypothetical conditions I listed were met and they kept out of it I could tolerate them staying but imo they won't ever be, therefore they need to go. I don't have any affinity towards them as owners whatsoever but imo you don't turn away billionaires lightly. It's a bit like like the question Caroline Aherne famously asked Debbie Mcgee "So what first attracted you to the millionaire Paul Daniels then? ".

Understandable. Just checked Jim Iley's record. 14th of April 1978 to the end of September 1978. P 12 W 1 D 4 L 7. Come on Mr. Eustace. You REALLY don't want to be inviting those sort of comparisons!

You're doing it again. I've specifically said I do not hold out any hope under these owners. And detailed the reasons why. And people wonder why I get irritated.

I can't believe more wasn't made of the fact that after initially negotiating a reasonable sounding permanent fee of £2.5 m for Mcguire GB then agreed to an option to purchase of around £7m Euros as part of the proposed loan deal. Which obviously would never be exercised. (Was it not £5m for Hirst as well?) Proving that far from being an innocent victim in all this Broughton is fully compliant and up to his neck in the whole charade.

You probably won't like this answer but like J*B I think IF the Court Proceedings were not pertaining and IF they were once again able and willing to fund the Club up to the maximum permitted by FFP and IF they kept their beaks out and IF they appointed a competent CEO /Manager/ Coach and DOF then that would lead to a greater chance of successt than being completely skint. That is never going to happen. Various people were led to believe that this sort of situation might finally come about a couple of seasons or so ago but instead things have gone completely in the opposite direction and even further South than before if that were possible. Too much water has flowed under the bridge and I don't think we'd ever get to that optimum hypothetical situation under these owners therefore they need to go. It's always been either the wrong people squandering money or no money when the right people comes along under this ownership. If we end up with a succession of people who are the wrong person with no money we really are screwed.

I agree the time for protests has probably come. The current situation on and particularly off the pitch can not endure. Unfortunately however whether the fan base as a whole will share your appetite looks somewhat doubtful. Maybe the match going crowd are starting to turn though? Don't worry, I don't have any problem with coarse language whatsoever but tend to find it has more impact used a little more sparingly. Enjoy your Easter.

Have to agree to disagree on Broughton but otherwise spot on. Great post.

I've said countless times ultimate responsibility lies with the owners because they continue to employ these chancers but one or two posters (not your good self) continually ignore that and try to make out I don't place any blame on the owners hence my irritation at you seemingly going down the same route. The question is do they send the money over and just leave the imbeciles at the Club to it to wreck the place and feather their own nests because they can't be arsed enogh to keep a close enough eye on what's going on. Or are the people at Ewood acting strictly to instruction? I'm of the former view (just) but wouldn't blame anyone for thinking the latter. Either way it's ultimately the owners fault. Obviously.

He must have had some idea of what a shambles we were on and off the pitch but maybe Nixon was right for once when he said "Managers like working". They also imo generally have large egos and a healthy amount of faith in their own ability to turn situations round. Would be interesting to know at this stage if Eustace privately thinks he's made a mistake. I suppose from his point of view the worst that can happen is he gets sacked, most of the shit sticks to Venky's, he gets paid off and away he goes again on the managerial merry-go-round.

Apart from Adam Wharton which I think shouldn't be underestimated.

That was probably ill advised but technically he was correct and again I think he was trying to take some pressure off the players.

When?

I'm not too offended by his "managerspeak" the way he paints a rosy picture in public is obviously his attempt at man management and the way he has decided to go about keeping the players onside. Personally I'd rather he took the approach of Gary Rowett who has only been at Birmingham 2 minutes and told his players some home truths yesterday after their defeat at QPR. He basically said they were a talented group but had to be more professional at key moments and in certain situations. I think that sort of honest appraisal comes over a lot better to the supporters but at the end of the day it's results on the board that count. We'll know if the softly softly approach has worked by the end of the season.

I do think people are on his case extremely quickly PB. Probably because they liked JDT so much and also because he is perceived as a Waggott appointment. However JDT walked out because understandably he felt he couldn't work under the owners or with this "management" team any longer. Eustace has to work under the same conditions and what can you really do when you're provided in the transfer window with players like Fleck, Mcfadzean and a young centre back who apparently can't be trusted. And have to rely on forward options like Gallagher and Telalovic and goalkeepers like Pears and Wahlstedt. All that said as Matty pointed out it's a results business and if he fails in his task of keeping us up I haven't seen too much from him or our performances YET to suggest he'd be the man to take us forward IF we went down. Needs to keep us up and start with a clean slate from there.

If people wanted to sell one of our star players to our main rivals for automatic promotion at the time - more fool them. The fact that our so called manager wanted to do the same tells you all need to know about his "ambition." Similarly Brereton. We could have sold him at a ridiculously low price but he was our top scorer wirh 14 goals the following season and we ended up missing out on the play offs by goal difference. Fine margins and hindsight is a wonderful thing. None of these problems would have arisen in the first place had Mowbray and Waggott tied them all down when they should have. I'm not rewriting history at all.

JDT took over a complete mess from Mowbray as well but exceeded overall expectations in his first season despite a very poor second half. If you can't see that the financial restrictions JDT were working under IN THE END were light and day away from the financial support Mowbray received then there's not really much point debating it. Plus Mowbray didn't have to put up with the same various transfer deadline day shenanigans. I do agree Eustace's job is to keep us up by hook or by crook regardless of how pretty it is.

Going back to the late 70's I'm reminded of arguably the worst Rovers manager of my lifetime, Jim Iley who without looking it up sparked a players revolt and I think only lasted about 3 months. Even he won at least one game I think, a 3-0 win in which a cracking player we had on loan David Gregory played a starring role. Unfortunately Gregory wouldn't sign for Iley and things went rapidly South after that.

You might have noticed we're short of money now - Mowbray admitted himself that it was his decision not to renew any contracts during Covid which ultimately resulted in Lenihan, Rothwell, Nyambe and Brereton walking for nothing. So whilst not 100% his fault he bears some responsibility.

Thanks. Must have missed the full thing first time round. Is it the same one where he rattles on about the team bus. That was the first one I remember but I thought it was an internal in Club interview or an LT piece. I still can't believe he came out in Public and said there was no pressure on JDT to produce results. Whether or not that's the case, you keep that firmly in house. It's like he's deliberately trying to put people off coming but then everything he's done since he's been at the Club appears designed to have the same effect. Edit: If that's from last August - again he's hoisted himself by his own petard by admitting that the fans were right to kick off about O Brien and it was "unacceptable" then exactly the same thing happens this January.

I know it's all on them, I'd have expected better from you. Does that therefore mean that Singh/ Shaw/ Agnew/ Hunt /Senior/ Silk/Waggott/Broughton et al should be left alone and get a free ride? These people are still actually meant to have jobs at the end of the day. - Whilst it's ultimately the owners overall responsibility is it their fault in the first instance that Singh comes up with a brainwave to sign a load of Portugeezers or Shaw fucks up Berg's departure or Waggott tries to repeat what he tried to do at Coventry and sell the training ground or Broughton as DOF oversees multiple transfer cock ups or Broughton and Waggott bring in players that aren't up to scratch and in some instances aren't even fit enough to play?

Just calm down and stop swearing at everyone - it's juvenile and detracts from your overall point. Calling the owners wankers and cunts every other breath makes you look like you're a loaf short of a full bread basket. We all know the owners need to go and that ultimate responsibility is theirs because they employ these idiots. I was responding to an entirely rhetorical question from Roversfan99 who ignores 99% of what I post and selects certain bits and twists it round. But at least he does it in a largely civil and well reasoned way. Other than calling the owners twats - what's your actual solution to our situation?