RevidgeBlue

They have been (and continue to be) led a merry dance by various charlatans imo (The bringing in of John Park for example, good grief) and of course if they're not keeping a close enough eye on what's going on on the ground then of course the buck stops with them. All I would say is that the financial contribution combined with the apparent determination not to sell us any time soon indicates am element of good faith on their part as opposed to being malicious. I just don't think we're top of their list of priorities in terms of their overall business empire unfortunately. Will that improve or change going forward, who knows? It's not looking like it just yet despite promises to the contrary 12 months ago. However a stellar managerial appointment would be a major step forward and might indicate the start of a shift in attitude.

I don't know anything about Cocu's background but you might be right. Not sure there's any real evidence he's in line for the job here bit that might only be down to the fact he's not with the right agency. It would be just as bad for me if we end up with another HSH dud ( of which Mowbray is one).

I'm not sure why you're on one with me just recently. I've never pretended their record as owners has been good. I merely note that they have made and continue to make a massive financial contribution to the Club. To which Im sure you would say - "It's the least they can do it's entirely self inflicted" to which I'd agree BUT in an ideal world the best way forward would still be to combine their financial clout with a top class manager and competent personnel running the Club behind the scenes. If they continue to refuse to do that (I.e. by re-hiring Mowbray and retaining Waggott) then it doesn't matter how much money they plough in, it will continue to go to waste.

Not sure exactly what point you're trying to make there? if he gets a new deal, to coin one of Gav's favourite phrases it will mark a new low in their period of ownership for me

Just looked it up 2013/14, 8th with 70 points from 46 games. Only 2 points behind Brighton in 6th. They've been on a somewhat different "journey" to us since then. They've found their way onto the motorway whilst we're stumbling down a dead end country lane like a man in a blindfold. Still, "slow builds" are best, eh?

The arrogance of the man is utterly breathtaking. By February we needed to produce relegation form.in the second half of the season to somehow avoid the play offs and he duly obliged. That proves beyond a shadow of a doubt it was the correct move NOT to dive in with both feet at Christmas and offer him a new deal. Yet he's got the bloody nerve to moan about. it. The owners will probably be naive, gullible and stupid enough to give him a new contract on improved terms now anyway after he's played them like a fiddle in the press over the last ten days with his "woe is me" routine but that's a separate issue.

On the plus side I don't believe there is any sell on clause in Brereton's contract. On the downside, given he currently only has 12 months to go (at best) our hand may be forced.

Be about Tuesday when Venkys ring Mowbray.

Only took over at Wednesday on 1st of March 2021 and was unable to stop them from going down but I'm sure you knew that. Wonder who else that sounds like? Don't recall you blaming him for that here!

Yep. It's important we don't sell Phillips imo. BBD I'm a bit worried by. Didn't show much in the second half of the season. I'm normally dead set against selling any of our best players no matter what the cost but I'd be fairly ambivalent now if we got £20m for him.

Never saw £3m quoted either but fair enough - I thought the figure mentioned was a derisory £1m. The owners were quite correct to turn it down at the time imo. Imagine if Rothwell had gone on to star for Bournemouth and we'd have dropped out of the play offs. We did anyway as things turned out but no-one could realistically have predicted Mowbray and the team would have performed so abysmally in the second half of the season. Hindsight is a wonderful thing sometimes.

Does that mean by process of deduction the other two will be staying? Excellent news if true. Good luck to Rothwell. Largely mismanaged by Mowbray and should do well under a different manager.

Never saw any suggestion Bournemouth were offering £4m?.

If I was a neutral and it wasn't my Club Mowbray was hoping to **** up for another 3-5 years I could almost admire the way he's running rings round Venky's. The other day it was "I'll listen to what they have to say." Now it's "Never say never but I don't think anything could get me to change my mind." I.e. my price is going up all the time.

Nailed it. "I decided not to bring another striker in - that's not the way we play".

So to summarise, does that mean you're back pedalling at a rate of knots on your assertion that Farke could be coming in?

It's becoming increasingly hard to disagree with any of that but is your comment about the V's not giving two hoots not completely at odds with your post the other day about them being determined to bring Farke in and being disappointed that Mowbray's departure had not been announced by those who they pay to do such things? Edit: beaten to it by DD above who was obviously thinking similar.

Of course he is.

Exactly this. He's been more than happy to draw a huge salary for the last 5 and a bit seasons without a murmur of dissent. If the situation was that intolerable, why didn't he pipe up or just walk out? The owners have stood by him over the years when most would have sacked him due to poor results and now he thinks finally he might not be getting a new deal he's sticking the boot in and making the job sound less attractive to the next manager. "If I can't have the job I'll make sure no-one else wants it." At a properly run Club he'd have been removed out of the fray well before now and thereby prevented from commenting on anything like this. However maybe Waggott is also brassed off that he might be leaving and said "Say what you want Tony, no skin off my nose". Pair of absolute charlatans. Good riddance to both of them hopefully.

You just know it's coming though.

"Oh, hello Mrs. Desai." "Yes I'm fine thanks. How are you, rest of the family OK.?" "How much did you say? Where's my pen?"

From the January window , I drew that it was not one that you would expect from a Club with any genuine aspirations of promotion. Far from it. However IF they made an impressive appointment like Farke or Dyche and funded him properly I wouldn't draw any adverse conclusion from that. I'd be more inclined to think they'd learned from their mistake in January. If however they give Mowbray a new deal or make a really disappointing appointment in the Woodgate ilk I'd be more inclined to start coming round to your point of view that we will never prosper under there ownership despite what might be promised to the contrary. The proof of the pudding is in the eating at the end of the day.

The problem with that sort of comment is that it deflects from the main issue which is that whether he is a plant or a genuine account he is talking absolute Horlicks. That main point is then further diluted by people like Paul chipping in feeling sorry for him.

Yet you had no problem with either yourself or others slagging off Ainsworth on the basis of his appearance.

I'd like to know what he means by "finish the job". Take us down to League 1 like he did originally? (Yes yes I know it wasn't all his fault)